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> <channel><title>Comments on: Ten Notes on Crude Oil: The Fixation</title> <atom:link href="http://alephblog.com/2008/06/14/ten-notes-on-crude-oil-the-fixation/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/06/14/ten-notes-on-crude-oil-the-fixation/</link> <description>Helping Institutions and Ordinary People Invest Better by Focusing on Risk Control</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:02:53 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Walter O</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/06/14/ten-notes-on-crude-oil-the-fixation/comment-page-1/#comment-19480</link> <dc:creator>Walter O</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:41:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=745#comment-19480</guid> <description>I found your site and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you down the road!
I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you have got a good point of view. Thanks for your thoughts.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your site and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you down the road!</p><p>I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you have got a good point of view. Thanks for your thoughts.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bingo7</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/06/14/ten-notes-on-crude-oil-the-fixation/comment-page-1/#comment-17821</link> <dc:creator>Bingo7</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:24:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=745#comment-17821</guid> <description>Nice survey, I would add a few things:
1) The price that gets reported in the papers is WTI or Brent, sweet light crude, but the vast majority of crudes out there are neither light nor sweet.  Heavy crudes require complicated refineries to be transformed into gas, diesel, kerosene--the profitable products.  (Sometimes, as with some Venezuelan crudes, the refinery needs to be specifically retooled in order to handle the crude, becoming basically a that crude only refinery.)
There are not too many refineries in the world that can handle heavy crudes, which sell at a large discount from WTI, in fact you might say there&#039;s a shortage.  This is one reason that Iran is sending their heavy crude production into storage in tankers in the Persian Gulf.  However, there are many complicated refineries coming online between 2008-2012, a partial sample would be Jamnagar, Jubail, Yanbu, Sosan, and Fujian (Exxon/Saudi Aramco/CNPC refinery expansion in Fusou, if I remember correctly) which alone would account for additional capacity of over 2 million b/d.  That&#039;s 2 million that can handle complicated crudes.  If demand slows enough, that should put the market back in balance--for a time.
2)  Crzyeye is right ... refiners are under a lot of political pressure just now and appear to be reluctant to pass costs on to consumers.  Witness the pretty prominent API ads all over pointing out that ownership of oil companies is pretty broad, deep, and diverse.  Even though folks poo poo the notion, oil companies are well aware of the dangers of nationalization and have basically the worst public image possible for someone to remain in polite society.
But over 25%--likely much more, but this is what I added up from big consumers--of worldwide demand is directly subsidized.  The two countries with the largest demand growth--China and India--both regulate prices to reduce the burden on consumers.  All governments are getting nervous about the situation and remember that over 70% of world oil reserves now held by national oil companies that will not let market forces prevail if it is politically inconvenient to do so under all conditions.
3)  The high price environment will drive investment in alternative technologies, etc., but the time line on that is quite long, and the number of Americans who are seeing whatever disposable capital they had left completely disappear is going to be high.  Bad news for the economy generally and ultimately for the oil producers.  The number of pedestrian-friendly, mass-transit equipped, cities west of the Mississippi can be counted on one hand.  It is almost insurmountably difficult to reorganize them efficiently.
Populations in the big producing countries feel even more entitled to cheap energy than we do in America--which is part of the reason, for example, that Iran is facing a gasoline shortage--and many of the big producers are also big consumers (for example, Saudi Arabia consumes well over 1 mb/d), don&#039;t expect any let up in demand from that particular demographic.
Given that subsidized energy kind of acts like a universal micro loan and that nearly all emerging nations have them, they will likely subsidize as much as possible until their currencies come under pressure deemed dangerous.  Kind of like a game of chicken.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice survey, I would add a few things:</p><p>1) The price that gets reported in the papers is WTI or Brent, sweet light crude, but the vast majority of crudes out there are neither light nor sweet.  Heavy crudes require complicated refineries to be transformed into gas, diesel, kerosene&#8211;the profitable products.  (Sometimes, as with some Venezuelan crudes, the refinery needs to be specifically retooled in order to handle the crude, becoming basically a that crude only refinery.)</p><p>There are not too many refineries in the world that can handle heavy crudes, which sell at a large discount from WTI, in fact you might say there&#8217;s a shortage.  This is one reason that Iran is sending their heavy crude production into storage in tankers in the Persian Gulf.  However, there are many complicated refineries coming online between 2008-2012, a partial sample would be Jamnagar, Jubail, Yanbu, Sosan, and Fujian (Exxon/Saudi Aramco/CNPC refinery expansion in Fusou, if I remember correctly) which alone would account for additional capacity of over 2 million b/d.  That&#8217;s 2 million that can handle complicated crudes.  If demand slows enough, that should put the market back in balance&#8211;for a time.</p><p>2)  Crzyeye is right &#8230; refiners are under a lot of political pressure just now and appear to be reluctant to pass costs on to consumers.  Witness the pretty prominent API ads all over pointing out that ownership of oil companies is pretty broad, deep, and diverse.  Even though folks poo poo the notion, oil companies are well aware of the dangers of nationalization and have basically the worst public image possible for someone to remain in polite society.</p><p>But over 25%&#8211;likely much more, but this is what I added up from big consumers&#8211;of worldwide demand is directly subsidized.  The two countries with the largest demand growth&#8211;China and India&#8211;both regulate prices to reduce the burden on consumers.  All governments are getting nervous about the situation and remember that over 70% of world oil reserves now held by national oil companies that will not let market forces prevail if it is politically inconvenient to do so under all conditions.</p><p>3)  The high price environment will drive investment in alternative technologies, etc., but the time line on that is quite long, and the number of Americans who are seeing whatever disposable capital they had left completely disappear is going to be high.  Bad news for the economy generally and ultimately for the oil producers.  The number of pedestrian-friendly, mass-transit equipped, cities west of the Mississippi can be counted on one hand.  It is almost insurmountably difficult to reorganize them efficiently.</p><p>Populations in the big producing countries feel even more entitled to cheap energy than we do in America&#8211;which is part of the reason, for example, that Iran is facing a gasoline shortage&#8211;and many of the big producers are also big consumers (for example, Saudi Arabia consumes well over 1 mb/d), don&#8217;t expect any let up in demand from that particular demographic.</p><p>Given that subsidized energy kind of acts like a universal micro loan and that nearly all emerging nations have them, they will likely subsidize as much as possible until their currencies come under pressure deemed dangerous.  Kind of like a game of chicken.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mysticdog</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/06/14/ten-notes-on-crude-oil-the-fixation/comment-page-1/#comment-17806</link> <dc:creator>Mysticdog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:12:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=745#comment-17806</guid> <description>&quot;It is a honeypot for conspiracy theorists and unscrupulous politicians (not quite an oxymoron).&quot;
Not to mention unscrupulous economists...
I mean, be a litle realistic here. Breaking swings down into percentages or comparing to other commodities are both invalid approaches to the oil market-  this is not a commodity where production prices and availablity have wild swings. Weather less than hurricane intensity just doesn&#039;t affect this commodity much - even major changes in winter heating or summer cooling hit oil prices far less than a drought or bumper crop affect animal or vegetables.
Break open the records for who is buying oil futures, how many are buying, and how much is getting resold to other &quot;investors&quot;. That is where speculation would be seen, if it is there.
There is no &quot;free&quot; market for oil, and it doesn&#039;t take a conspiracy for a bunch of independent actors to create a bubble.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is a honeypot for conspiracy theorists and unscrupulous politicians (not quite an oxymoron).&#8221;</p><p>Not to mention unscrupulous economists&#8230;</p><p>I mean, be a litle realistic here. Breaking swings down into percentages or comparing to other commodities are both invalid approaches to the oil market-  this is not a commodity where production prices and availablity have wild swings. Weather less than hurricane intensity just doesn&#8217;t affect this commodity much &#8211; even major changes in winter heating or summer cooling hit oil prices far less than a drought or bumper crop affect animal or vegetables.</p><p>Break open the records for who is buying oil futures, how many are buying, and how much is getting resold to other &#8220;investors&#8221;. That is where speculation would be seen, if it is there.</p><p>There is no &#8220;free&#8221; market for oil, and it doesn&#8217;t take a conspiracy for a bunch of independent actors to create a bubble.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: crzyeye</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/06/14/ten-notes-on-crude-oil-the-fixation/comment-page-1/#comment-17799</link> <dc:creator>crzyeye</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:57:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=745#comment-17799</guid> <description>you said it yourself  &quot;subsidized across much of the world&quot; and look here at home.  The demand is not there at higher prices.  look at the spread of oil and retail prices or the 123 crack spread.  looks likes refiners are eating the cost and subsidizing demand.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you said it yourself  &#8220;subsidized across much of the world&#8221; and look here at home.  The demand is not there at higher prices.  look at the spread of oil and retail prices or the 123 crack spread.  looks likes refiners are eating the cost and subsidizing demand.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jack carter</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/06/14/ten-notes-on-crude-oil-the-fixation/comment-page-1/#comment-17797</link> <dc:creator>jack carter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:40:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=745#comment-17797</guid> <description>Interesting post and likely correct as far as it goes.  What you did not say is that the dollar will continue to be hurt by inflation imports until the economy is slowed and inflated, nor did you note that the coming Congress will likely force the Fed&#039;s hand by continuing to run deficits that will be large, intractable and probably can be sterilized. The net effects are: energy prices will rise until the Marginal supply = Marginal demand at the relevant prices (which change but the market knows).  Demand destruction is possible and is now happening and slowing demand for fuel - slowing growth further. It will induce employment problems. We call this a decaying series. A ruin path.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post and likely correct as far as it goes.  What you did not say is that the dollar will continue to be hurt by inflation imports until the economy is slowed and inflated, nor did you note that the coming Congress will likely force the Fed&#8217;s hand by continuing to run deficits that will be large, intractable and probably can be sterilized. The net effects are: energy prices will rise until the Marginal supply = Marginal demand at the relevant prices (which change but the market knows).  Demand destruction is possible and is now happening and slowing demand for fuel &#8211; slowing growth further. It will induce employment problems. We call this a decaying series. A ruin path.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Markus</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/06/14/ten-notes-on-crude-oil-the-fixation/comment-page-1/#comment-17796</link> <dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:26:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=745#comment-17796</guid> <description>David, very good summary of this complex matter, e.g. nobody mentions that higher margins are hurting shorts, too. In general there is a lot of oversimplifcation and populism and few analysis in this issue (yet). I think what we see now is exactly the scenario H.W. Brock from Strategic Economic Decisions described in his report in September 2005. http://www.sedinc.com/fileadmin/user_upload/pdfs/energy2005.pdf)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, very good summary of this complex matter, e.g. nobody mentions that higher margins are hurting shorts, too. In general there is a lot of oversimplifcation and populism and few analysis in this issue (yet). I think what we see now is exactly the scenario H.W. Brock from Strategic Economic Decisions described in his report in September 2005. <a
href="http://www.sedinc.com/fileadmin/user_upload/pdfs/energy2005.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sedinc.com/fileadmin/user_upload/pdfs/energy2005.pdf</a>)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dblwyo</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/06/14/ten-notes-on-crude-oil-the-fixation/comment-page-1/#comment-17795</link> <dc:creator>dblwyo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:09:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=745#comment-17795</guid> <description>That&#039;s a good survey. My view is that more than sufficient reserves are available but existing ones are aging and declining due to under-investment. And that the potential new ones are trapped behind political barriers that prevent appropriate investments in exploration and production. As a result we&#039;re going to be on the ragged edge of S/D imbalance for a long-time until a concerted effort is made to transition to alternatives - which will take $Bs and decades if we muster the will. If you&#039;d like the back readings, sources and analysis try these three blog posts:
Energy &amp; Oil:
Oil Industry I: Prices, Fundamentals http://tinyurl.com/5wxuo9
Oil Industry II: LT Supply-Demand, Outlook http://tinyurl.com/5jcah5
National Energy Policy: http://tinyurl.com/5kcv6a</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good survey. My view is that more than sufficient reserves are available but existing ones are aging and declining due to under-investment. And that the potential new ones are trapped behind political barriers that prevent appropriate investments in exploration and production. As a result we&#8217;re going to be on the ragged edge of S/D imbalance for a long-time until a concerted effort is made to transition to alternatives &#8211; which will take $Bs and decades if we muster the will. If you&#8217;d like the back readings, sources and analysis try these three blog posts:<br
/> Energy &amp; Oil:<br
/> Oil Industry I: Prices, Fundamentals <a
href="http://tinyurl.com/5wxuo9" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5wxuo9</a><br
/> Oil Industry II: LT Supply-Demand, Outlook <a
href="http://tinyurl.com/5jcah5" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5jcah5</a><br
/> National Energy Policy: <a
href="http://tinyurl.com/5kcv6a" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5kcv6a</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/06/14/ten-notes-on-crude-oil-the-fixation/comment-page-1/#comment-17794</link> <dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:09:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=745#comment-17794</guid> <description>The eleventh note should be that there will be more energy/oil wars--Iraq is just the first one this go around.  Too much money and too many resources are now in the hands of defenseless sovereigns.  The US and China will use their military might for energy--as will local &quot;liberators.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The eleventh note should be that there will be more energy/oil wars&#8211;Iraq is just the first one this go around.  Too much money and too many resources are now in the hands of defenseless sovereigns.  The US and China will use their military might for energy&#8211;as will local &#8220;liberators.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
