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> <channel><title>Comments on: In Large, Red, Friendly Letters it Reads, &#8220;Don&#8217;t Panic!&#8221; (GSE Edition)</title> <atom:link href="http://alephblog.com/2008/07/11/in-large-red-friendly-letters-it-reads-dont-panic-gse-edition/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/07/11/in-large-red-friendly-letters-it-reads-dont-panic-gse-edition/</link> <description>Helping Institutions and Ordinary People Invest Better by Focusing on Risk Control</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 21:31:47 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/07/11/in-large-red-friendly-letters-it-reads-dont-panic-gse-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-18017</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:46:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=769#comment-18017</guid> <description>sysin3, synchro -- I have no love for bailouts, or government lending programs... my view is that having Fannie and Freddie in conservation disentangles us from some of the private/public socialism, and would not cost much as a break against a possible &quot;domino effect&quot; should GSE senior obligations weaken.
The private sector would eventually ramp up enough to take the places of the GSEs, and lending rates would rise 0.25%-1.00%.  That&#039;s not a bad thing, because it would weed out marginal borrowers.  Many people should rent, and the social benefits of private ownership are there, but overstated.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sysin3, synchro &#8212; I have no love for bailouts, or government lending programs&#8230; my view is that having Fannie and Freddie in conservation disentangles us from some of the private/public socialism, and would not cost much as a break against a possible &#8220;domino effect&#8221; should GSE senior obligations weaken.</p><p>The private sector would eventually ramp up enough to take the places of the GSEs, and lending rates would rise 0.25%-1.00%.  That&#8217;s not a bad thing, because it would weed out marginal borrowers.  Many people should rent, and the social benefits of private ownership are there, but overstated.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: synchro</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/07/11/in-large-red-friendly-letters-it-reads-dont-panic-gse-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-18016</link> <dc:creator>synchro</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:27:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=769#comment-18016</guid> <description>David, as usual, an insightful and balanced view.  Personally I have an extremely biased view of ANY government bailouts.  But here we are.
One way to look at the FNM and FRE is that they are essentially a giant off-balance sheet SIV of the federal government.
The stakes are getting higher and higher.  There could be unintended consequences from this.  For example, agency bond yield and treasury yield would start to converge w/ treasury yield rising and agency bond spreads compressing.  This MAY have the effect of repricing the whole-world&#039;s bond market to the downside.  The concept of the risk-free yield and confidence in it would start to shake.
The other issue is the substantial foreign holding of agency debt.  One thing that agency debt has been used is in hedged cross-currency carry trades.  There are quite a few players would borrow in yen and swiss francs and invest in the USD.  Since hedging the currency exposure would offset the benefit of the carry if they invest in Treasuries, these people instead invested in agencies to get into positive carry w/ hedged currency exposure.
The bond, currency, commodities, and equity markets will be extremely treacherous the next couple of weeks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, as usual, an insightful and balanced view.  Personally I have an extremely biased view of ANY government bailouts.  But here we are.</p><p>One way to look at the FNM and FRE is that they are essentially a giant off-balance sheet SIV of the federal government.</p><p>The stakes are getting higher and higher.  There could be unintended consequences from this.  For example, agency bond yield and treasury yield would start to converge w/ treasury yield rising and agency bond spreads compressing.  This MAY have the effect of repricing the whole-world&#8217;s bond market to the downside.  The concept of the risk-free yield and confidence in it would start to shake.</p><p>The other issue is the substantial foreign holding of agency debt.  One thing that agency debt has been used is in hedged cross-currency carry trades.  There are quite a few players would borrow in yen and swiss francs and invest in the USD.  Since hedging the currency exposure would offset the benefit of the carry if they invest in Treasuries, these people instead invested in agencies to get into positive carry w/ hedged currency exposure.</p><p>The bond, currency, commodities, and equity markets will be extremely treacherous the next couple of weeks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sysin3</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/07/11/in-large-red-friendly-letters-it-reads-dont-panic-gse-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-18015</link> <dc:creator>sysin3</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:14:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=769#comment-18015</guid> <description>David,
I love reading your balanced views on this mess.  No doubt they are much &quot;righter&quot; than mine will ever be.
But ... why in the world would any obligations be protected with our tax dollars ?  These &quot;geniuses&quot; made their bets ... they can doggone well live with the consequences.  (realizing that the consequences for us all may be quite unpleasant)
I have no duty to bail anybody out of their (dumb) trades.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p><p>I love reading your balanced views on this mess.  No doubt they are much &#8220;righter&#8221; than mine will ever be.</p><p>But &#8230; why in the world would any obligations be protected with our tax dollars ?  These &#8220;geniuses&#8221; made their bets &#8230; they can doggone well live with the consequences.  (realizing that the consequences for us all may be quite unpleasant)</p><p>I have no duty to bail anybody out of their (dumb) trades.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/07/11/in-large-red-friendly-letters-it-reads-dont-panic-gse-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-18006</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:13:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=769#comment-18006</guid> <description>District Banker -- I have stated the same prescription for Bear Stearns in an earlier post.  My view is the same for all government bailouts.  Protect senior obligations, wipe out common (and maybe preferred), haircuts for things that are in-between (the preferred would fall here with subordinate financing).
I don&#039;t think the government should generally do bailouts, but if they do them, those that took significant risks should not get bailed out.  This should look and feel like a last resort, and only be done in cases where the government believes bankruptcy would have large negative spillover effects.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>District Banker &#8212; I have stated the same prescription for Bear Stearns in an earlier post.  My view is the same for all government bailouts.  Protect senior obligations, wipe out common (and maybe preferred), haircuts for things that are in-between (the preferred would fall here with subordinate financing).</p><p>I don&#8217;t think the government should generally do bailouts, but if they do them, those that took significant risks should not get bailed out.  This should look and feel like a last resort, and only be done in cases where the government believes bankruptcy would have large negative spillover effects.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: District Banker</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/07/11/in-large-red-friendly-letters-it-reads-dont-panic-gse-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-18005</link> <dc:creator>District Banker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:07:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=769#comment-18005</guid> <description>What are your thoughts on giving BSC COMMON holders $2, but wiping out the preferred holders of a GSE?  Yeah, yeah.... there&#039;s the whole &#039;moral hazard argument&#039; - but let&#039;s focus on the financial, rather than the psycho-economic reasoning.
FNM/FRE have $31 billion in preferreds outstanding.  I saw one estimate that insurers hold about $7 billion of that, which (if we assume that banks hold the majority of the rest) implies banks could see $20 billion more in hits - ASIDE from other credit costs associated with the loan portfolio.
FNM/FRE preferreds being marked to zero could be the straw that breaks the camel&#039;s back for a number of banks - sending them to the capital markets, only to find that the TRUP window is closed, as are perpetual preferreds.  Thus, they will be forced to pay through the nose for debt issuance or issue dilutive common equity.
Either way, I think Steve hit it on the head with one word:  ugly.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are your thoughts on giving BSC COMMON holders $2, but wiping out the preferred holders of a GSE?  Yeah, yeah&#8230;. there&#8217;s the whole &#8216;moral hazard argument&#8217; &#8211; but let&#8217;s focus on the financial, rather than the psycho-economic reasoning.</p><p>FNM/FRE have $31 billion in preferreds outstanding.  I saw one estimate that insurers hold about $7 billion of that, which (if we assume that banks hold the majority of the rest) implies banks could see $20 billion more in hits &#8211; ASIDE from other credit costs associated with the loan portfolio.</p><p>FNM/FRE preferreds being marked to zero could be the straw that breaks the camel&#8217;s back for a number of banks &#8211; sending them to the capital markets, only to find that the TRUP window is closed, as are perpetual preferreds.  Thus, they will be forced to pay through the nose for debt issuance or issue dilutive common equity.</p><p>Either way, I think Steve hit it on the head with one word:  ugly.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: malabar</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/07/11/in-large-red-friendly-letters-it-reads-dont-panic-gse-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-18004</link> <dc:creator>malabar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:36:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=769#comment-18004</guid> <description>Those waterfall charts of FNM, FRE, LEH, WB, DSL, WM, FED, ....
This is what happens when easy money and bailout nation becomes the governing philosophy of crony capitalism. Billion dollar bonuses for Wall Street elites, millions of dollars of contributions to politicians of both parties and of course the revolving door between regulators, policy makers and Wall Street. Rubin, Paulson, Easy Al.
Now the biggest cheerleaders for &quot;free market capitalism&quot; and the repeal of Glass-Steagall and &quot;risk adjusted capital&quot; make even the marxist lenninist communists blush as they scream for nationalization, backstops and bailouts of their losing positions. But those billions in bonuses based on fraudulent financial performance - that&#039;s in the Caymans!
Yes, the shoe is on the other foot!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those waterfall charts of FNM, FRE, LEH, WB, DSL, WM, FED, &#8230;.</p><p>This is what happens when easy money and bailout nation becomes the governing philosophy of crony capitalism. Billion dollar bonuses for Wall Street elites, millions of dollars of contributions to politicians of both parties and of course the revolving door between regulators, policy makers and Wall Street. Rubin, Paulson, Easy Al.</p><p>Now the biggest cheerleaders for &#8220;free market capitalism&#8221; and the repeal of Glass-Steagall and &#8220;risk adjusted capital&#8221; make even the marxist lenninist communists blush as they scream for nationalization, backstops and bailouts of their losing positions. But those billions in bonuses based on fraudulent financial performance &#8211; that&#8217;s in the Caymans!</p><p>Yes, the shoe is on the other foot!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve Milos</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/07/11/in-large-red-friendly-letters-it-reads-dont-panic-gse-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-18002</link> <dc:creator>Steve Milos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:39:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=769#comment-18002</guid> <description>David,
Well, premarket it seems as though the entire world is selling Fannie and Freddie, the stocks are imploding.  If you don&#039;t like the equity, what about the CDS?  Those spreads are moving out too, as panic sets in.
Really ugly, although it&#039;s probably a case of &quot;this too shall pass&quot;.
Steve
np</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p><p>Well, premarket it seems as though the entire world is selling Fannie and Freddie, the stocks are imploding.  If you don&#8217;t like the equity, what about the CDS?  Those spreads are moving out too, as panic sets in.</p><p>Really ugly, although it&#8217;s probably a case of &#8220;this too shall pass&#8221;.</p><p>Steve<br
/> np</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Graham Cox</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/07/11/in-large-red-friendly-letters-it-reads-dont-panic-gse-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-17999</link> <dc:creator>Graham Cox</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:02:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=769#comment-17999</guid> <description>Thanks. Very helpful</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Very helpful</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
