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> <channel><title>Comments on: Two Updates</title> <atom:link href="http://alephblog.com/2008/09/21/two-updates/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/09/21/two-updates/</link> <description>Helping Institutions and Ordinary People Invest Better by Focusing on Risk Control</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:05:33 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Steve Milos</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/09/21/two-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-18915</link> <dc:creator>Steve Milos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:31:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=938#comment-18915</guid> <description>Wow, we almost made it 5 out of 7 days - the S&amp;P closed down 3.82%, only missed it by 18 bps!
What a wild market.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, we almost made it 5 out of 7 days &#8211; the S&amp;P closed down 3.82%, only missed it by 18 bps!</p><p>What a wild market.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wisdom Seeker</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/09/21/two-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-18914</link> <dc:creator>Wisdom Seeker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:24:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=938#comment-18914</guid> <description>I parsed that same data over the weekend and came to the opposite conclusion: while there may be a limited short-term upside, this has a very high potential to get much worse.
The data show clearly that very high two-way volatility incidents (4 out of 5 days moving by more than 4%) only occur very rarely.  Further, the macro picture is quite grim, with a real estate collapse, banks buried in bad loans, and a general unwillingness to lend due to a lack of accounting transparency.
The 1987 volatility incident suggests that we might rebound soon.  If so, there will be plenty of time to get on that train; corporate profits are very unlikely to return to &quot;Dow 14000&quot; levels within 3-6 months.
The 1929-1933 incidents suggest that we *might* see a vicious circle leading to a 75% decline. There is much less time to get out of a crashing bear-market train than to get onto a bull train leaving the station.  And unfortunately I&#039;m no longer optimistic about this government&#039;s ability to prevent such a calamity.
In my opinion the risks outweigh the likely immediate returns.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I parsed that same data over the weekend and came to the opposite conclusion: while there may be a limited short-term upside, this has a very high potential to get much worse.</p><p>The data show clearly that very high two-way volatility incidents (4 out of 5 days moving by more than 4%) only occur very rarely.  Further, the macro picture is quite grim, with a real estate collapse, banks buried in bad loans, and a general unwillingness to lend due to a lack of accounting transparency.</p><p>The 1987 volatility incident suggests that we might rebound soon.  If so, there will be plenty of time to get on that train; corporate profits are very unlikely to return to &#8220;Dow 14000&#8243; levels within 3-6 months.</p><p>The 1929-1933 incidents suggest that we *might* see a vicious circle leading to a 75% decline. There is much less time to get out of a crashing bear-market train than to get onto a bull train leaving the station.  And unfortunately I&#8217;m no longer optimistic about this government&#8217;s ability to prevent such a calamity.</p><p>In my opinion the risks outweigh the likely immediate returns.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/09/21/two-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-18887</link> <dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:44:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=938#comment-18887</guid> <description>Mr. Merkel, don&#039;t you think with all of the politics going around the election that this could be causing more politicized decisions around what&#039;s happening in the markets (as opposed to logical financial thinking)?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Merkel, don&#8217;t you think with all of the politics going around the election that this could be causing more politicized decisions around what&#8217;s happening in the markets (as opposed to logical financial thinking)?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul in Kansas City</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/09/21/two-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-18883</link> <dc:creator>Paul in Kansas City</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:06:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=938#comment-18883</guid> <description>as always excellent work; Hang in there everybody!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as always excellent work; Hang in there everybody!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: James Dailey</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/09/21/two-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-18879</link> <dc:creator>James Dailey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:15:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=938#comment-18879</guid> <description>I remain shocked as to how many investors I otherwise have tremendous respect for place so much credibility in the presidential cycle. David hasn&#039;t indicated any great allegiance, but people like Jim Stack and Jeremy Grantham have. Why not use the weather?
There is certainly a tendency for politicians to game money supply to try to assure re-election, but a belief in their omnipotent ability to accomplish this is where I find fault in the presidential cycle.
I fell victim to this kind of analysis in early 2001 when the Fed cut rates again. All the historical numbers showed that the stock market &quot;never&quot; went down after x number of rate cuts...yada yada yada...and 18 months later the market was significantly lower.
There is no question that the poles will TRY to juice things and they surely have played almost all of there cards already. What if it doesn&#039;t work this time? How big could the capitulation be if such a major rescue effort doesn&#039;t support the markets?
The reality is that these bailouts will do little to help stave off the major problems over the next 6-12 months. We are in recession and it is getting worse and may be turning global. House prices are not stabilizing - ECRI&#039;s leading index is still heading down! Given that backdrop, I would say that gambling on the presidential cycle or the government&#039;s ability to pull a rabbit out of their hat is extremely aggressive!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remain shocked as to how many investors I otherwise have tremendous respect for place so much credibility in the presidential cycle. David hasn&#8217;t indicated any great allegiance, but people like Jim Stack and Jeremy Grantham have. Why not use the weather?</p><p>There is certainly a tendency for politicians to game money supply to try to assure re-election, but a belief in their omnipotent ability to accomplish this is where I find fault in the presidential cycle.</p><p>I fell victim to this kind of analysis in early 2001 when the Fed cut rates again. All the historical numbers showed that the stock market &#8220;never&#8221; went down after x number of rate cuts&#8230;yada yada yada&#8230;and 18 months later the market was significantly lower.</p><p>There is no question that the poles will TRY to juice things and they surely have played almost all of there cards already. What if it doesn&#8217;t work this time? How big could the capitulation be if such a major rescue effort doesn&#8217;t support the markets?</p><p>The reality is that these bailouts will do little to help stave off the major problems over the next 6-12 months. We are in recession and it is getting worse and may be turning global. House prices are not stabilizing &#8211; ECRI&#8217;s leading index is still heading down! Given that backdrop, I would say that gambling on the presidential cycle or the government&#8217;s ability to pull a rabbit out of their hat is extremely aggressive!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve Milos</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2008/09/21/two-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-18868</link> <dc:creator>Steve Milos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:14:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=938#comment-18868</guid> <description>Hi David,
Thanks for the update.
Steve</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,</p><p>Thanks for the update.</p><p>Steve</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
