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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://alephblog.com/2008/10/24/not-born-and-bred-in-the-briar-patch/comment-page-1/#comment-19557</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, are you not contradicting yourself here?  First you criticize Bernanke for not doing enough, but later you state that the right course would be a new bankruptcy regime for failing institutions.  I find it amazing that 7 months after Bear Stearns&#039; failure there is still no framework for dealing with the situation.  Nothing has even been proposed, except giving the Treasure $750 billion to buy umm, assets, wait, no, umm, preferred stock in, umm, banks, yeah, important ones.  Is it any wonder the markets aren&#039;t reassured?

And who is to blame?  Paulson for one.  It seems like he can&#039;t get out of his Investment banker mode.  Say... Goldman has bad assets and can&#039;t lend?  I&#039;ll fix that, just buy em from GS.  That&#039;s not going to pass muster?  I&#039;ll give em a cheap loan.

Bernanke in my view is doing the right thing.  I believe that you David have published about the Fed&#039;s balance sheet, surely you have noticed the extra $600Bln of slime that appeared in the September to October time frame?  The Fed absorbed in 30 days almost enough assets to match the entire Paulson plan, or at least Paulson I.  So I conclude that BB is both flexible and accomplished what he wanted without the fanfare.

I think what you are suggesting is that there is an absence of leadership in Washington.  No argument from me.  Paulson clearly lacks vision and political savvy.  Bush is AWOL again.  I would like to point out the last major bank crisis, the S&amp;L crisis of the late 80s, required leadership from both the congress and the executive branch.  Volcker did not emerge one day, and rip open his shirt to reveal a big &quot;S&quot; on his unitard.  Cut Bernanke some slack. He clearly doesn&#039;t have the leadership skills of a Volcker, which is unfortunate, but he is bright and creative, and god knows where we would be right now without some very skillful and deft improvisation from the Fed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, are you not contradicting yourself here?  First you criticize Bernanke for not doing enough, but later you state that the right course would be a new bankruptcy regime for failing institutions.  I find it amazing that 7 months after Bear Stearns&#8217; failure there is still no framework for dealing with the situation.  Nothing has even been proposed, except giving the Treasure $750 billion to buy umm, assets, wait, no, umm, preferred stock in, umm, banks, yeah, important ones.  Is it any wonder the markets aren&#8217;t reassured?</p>
<p>And who is to blame?  Paulson for one.  It seems like he can&#8217;t get out of his Investment banker mode.  Say&#8230; Goldman has bad assets and can&#8217;t lend?  I&#8217;ll fix that, just buy em from GS.  That&#8217;s not going to pass muster?  I&#8217;ll give em a cheap loan.</p>
<p>Bernanke in my view is doing the right thing.  I believe that you David have published about the Fed&#8217;s balance sheet, surely you have noticed the extra $600Bln of slime that appeared in the September to October time frame?  The Fed absorbed in 30 days almost enough assets to match the entire Paulson plan, or at least Paulson I.  So I conclude that BB is both flexible and accomplished what he wanted without the fanfare.</p>
<p>I think what you are suggesting is that there is an absence of leadership in Washington.  No argument from me.  Paulson clearly lacks vision and political savvy.  Bush is AWOL again.  I would like to point out the last major bank crisis, the S&amp;L crisis of the late 80s, required leadership from both the congress and the executive branch.  Volcker did not emerge one day, and rip open his shirt to reveal a big &#8220;S&#8221; on his unitard.  Cut Bernanke some slack. He clearly doesn&#8217;t have the leadership skills of a Volcker, which is unfortunate, but he is bright and creative, and god knows where we would be right now without some very skillful and deft improvisation from the Fed.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveinHackensack</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveinHackensack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

What would your policy prescriptions be at this point?

Terry,

&lt;I&gt;&quot;They should do this in a way that doesn’t undermine healthy commercial banks (such as PNC), but enables taxpayer money to actually reach those in the private sector who need it...&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

I can&#039;t see how the government could compete with commercial banks directly without undermining the healthy ones. I think the problem with expecting banks to lend more in this environment is that the interest rates banks are allowed to charge may not be high enough to compensate them for the risk they&#039;d be taking on. Perhaps there are other ways the government could increase liquidity in the real economy, perhaps by channeling funds through non-traditional lenders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>What would your policy prescriptions be at this point?</p>
<p>Terry,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;They should do this in a way that doesn’t undermine healthy commercial banks (such as PNC), but enables taxpayer money to actually reach those in the private sector who need it&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see how the government could compete with commercial banks directly without undermining the healthy ones. I think the problem with expecting banks to lend more in this environment is that the interest rates banks are allowed to charge may not be high enough to compensate them for the risk they&#8217;d be taking on. Perhaps there are other ways the government could increase liquidity in the real economy, perhaps by channeling funds through non-traditional lenders.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernanke per se aside, I don&#039;t think our government--Treasury and Fed--has enough money (or enough debt potential while sustaining our debt rating) to bailout/rescue the US financial sector.  Same for the other OECD governments and their financial sectors.  

As a result, I think the policy idea of injecting capital or buying bad debts or lending to endangered banks &amp; insurance companies is doomed to fail in creating liquidity.  The deleveraging requirement is far larger than the government&#039;s ability to absorb those losses while increasing liquidity through the banks.  I think some of the financials are too big to RESCUE.    

I have been thinking about an alternative approach, which is probably full of holes, but may be worth considering (if smart people can figure out how to fill the holes).  It entails two steps:

1.  The US and other governments stop providing any financial support to financial institutions that are suffering because of their overzealous use of highly-leveraged securitization.  So, it would be OK to help PNC take over NCC as has just occurred, but no more funds would go to the Wall Street crew.

2.  Have the Fed and Treasury assume the normal business functions of banks, dealing directly with the private sector.  The could provide credit, take in deposits, and do things that normal banks do using their balance sheets and the balance of the $700B Congress has allowed Treasury to spend.  They should do this in a way that doesn&#039;t undermine healthy commercial banks (such as PNC), but enables taxpayer money to actually reach those in the private sector who need it (businesses and consumers) and, thus, keep the &quot;real&quot; economy moving (if not thriving).  The Fed&#039;s new CPFF is probably hte first such step in this direction.  Certainly there are enough laid off private sector banking types to staff USG efforts.

The key consequence is that the highly leveraged banks would eat up each other.  A few would survive in a much diminished capacity.  As they deleverage, they would be permitted to participate in regular commercial banking operations (if they could), but they would be banned from securitizing assets.  In short, they would be forced to act like a bank, not a Ponzi scheme.  

The point of this exercise is that it is more important to save the economy with the limited resources the USG &amp; other governments have available than it is to save the major banks and insurance companies (and GE, GM (GMAC), etc).  Moreover, I suspect that there is a better chance for the taxpayers would see their money returned than dumping into the black hole of bank balance sheets.

At some point, the USG would ease out of its role as the financial sector is able to do without the extra involvement.  My guess is that the way to do this would involve raising loan interest rates while lowering them on deposits so commercial banks look more attractive.  Certainly there must be other ways as well.  

I can feel the breeze of Keynes spinning in his grave.  But I&#039;m certain that throwing more money at banks in any form will NOT lead us out of this financial crisis and deep recession.  

I would welcome thoughtful comments on this by anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernanke per se aside, I don&#8217;t think our government&#8211;Treasury and Fed&#8211;has enough money (or enough debt potential while sustaining our debt rating) to bailout/rescue the US financial sector.  Same for the other OECD governments and their financial sectors.  </p>
<p>As a result, I think the policy idea of injecting capital or buying bad debts or lending to endangered banks &amp; insurance companies is doomed to fail in creating liquidity.  The deleveraging requirement is far larger than the government&#8217;s ability to absorb those losses while increasing liquidity through the banks.  I think some of the financials are too big to RESCUE.    </p>
<p>I have been thinking about an alternative approach, which is probably full of holes, but may be worth considering (if smart people can figure out how to fill the holes).  It entails two steps:</p>
<p>1.  The US and other governments stop providing any financial support to financial institutions that are suffering because of their overzealous use of highly-leveraged securitization.  So, it would be OK to help PNC take over NCC as has just occurred, but no more funds would go to the Wall Street crew.</p>
<p>2.  Have the Fed and Treasury assume the normal business functions of banks, dealing directly with the private sector.  The could provide credit, take in deposits, and do things that normal banks do using their balance sheets and the balance of the $700B Congress has allowed Treasury to spend.  They should do this in a way that doesn&#8217;t undermine healthy commercial banks (such as PNC), but enables taxpayer money to actually reach those in the private sector who need it (businesses and consumers) and, thus, keep the &#8220;real&#8221; economy moving (if not thriving).  The Fed&#8217;s new CPFF is probably hte first such step in this direction.  Certainly there are enough laid off private sector banking types to staff USG efforts.</p>
<p>The key consequence is that the highly leveraged banks would eat up each other.  A few would survive in a much diminished capacity.  As they deleverage, they would be permitted to participate in regular commercial banking operations (if they could), but they would be banned from securitizing assets.  In short, they would be forced to act like a bank, not a Ponzi scheme.  </p>
<p>The point of this exercise is that it is more important to save the economy with the limited resources the USG &amp; other governments have available than it is to save the major banks and insurance companies (and GE, GM (GMAC), etc).  Moreover, I suspect that there is a better chance for the taxpayers would see their money returned than dumping into the black hole of bank balance sheets.</p>
<p>At some point, the USG would ease out of its role as the financial sector is able to do without the extra involvement.  My guess is that the way to do this would involve raising loan interest rates while lowering them on deposits so commercial banks look more attractive.  Certainly there must be other ways as well.  </p>
<p>I can feel the breeze of Keynes spinning in his grave.  But I&#8217;m certain that throwing more money at banks in any form will NOT lead us out of this financial crisis and deep recession.  </p>
<p>I would welcome thoughtful comments on this by anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at your recent buy list, the action in Terex this past couple of weeks was remarkable.  Down to the $12s from the $20s in just a few days.  And it was in the $80s last year. (I don&#039;t have a position.)  I bring it up not for advice but because it seems to embody the whole situation.  They do carry debt like pretty much all capital goods firms.  But they aren&#039;t reckless about it.  They grew by acquisition and benefited disproportionately from artificially higher purchasing power around the world, but they strike me as responsibly managed and straightforward.  And here they are, one of the most prominent machinery firms in the world, with a market cap that&#039;s barely over $1 billion.  Heck, at this price, a super-richie could buy himself a whole company of life-sized Tonka toys for a small piece of his personal fortune --- and he wouldn&#039;t exactly be on the hook for much more in debt either.  It might sound weird, but explain Terex&#039;s situation and fate, and I think it may go a long way in getting a beat on the whole situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at your recent buy list, the action in Terex this past couple of weeks was remarkable.  Down to the $12s from the $20s in just a few days.  And it was in the $80s last year. (I don&#8217;t have a position.)  I bring it up not for advice but because it seems to embody the whole situation.  They do carry debt like pretty much all capital goods firms.  But they aren&#8217;t reckless about it.  They grew by acquisition and benefited disproportionately from artificially higher purchasing power around the world, but they strike me as responsibly managed and straightforward.  And here they are, one of the most prominent machinery firms in the world, with a market cap that&#8217;s barely over $1 billion.  Heck, at this price, a super-richie could buy himself a whole company of life-sized Tonka toys for a small piece of his personal fortune &#8212; and he wouldn&#8217;t exactly be on the hook for much more in debt either.  It might sound weird, but explain Terex&#8217;s situation and fate, and I think it may go a long way in getting a beat on the whole situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, a typically excellent piece.  What lies ahead, in your view?  I tend toward the Japanese scenario, dead men walking, that runs for a couple of years, followed by a wicked inflation as our govt runs out of policy ammo and our reliance on outside financing for the debt is laid bare.  in the meantime i am hard-pressed to see how we lay on any real growth, what with falling financial and RE prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, a typically excellent piece.  What lies ahead, in your view?  I tend toward the Japanese scenario, dead men walking, that runs for a couple of years, followed by a wicked inflation as our govt runs out of policy ammo and our reliance on outside financing for the debt is laid bare.  in the meantime i am hard-pressed to see how we lay on any real growth, what with falling financial and RE prices.</p>
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