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		<title>By: Russ Wood</title>
		<link>http://alephblog.com/2008/11/15/the-humility-of-realism/comment-page-1/#comment-20031</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JVDeLong wrote:
So if we cannot allow piecemeal bankruptcies to clear the system, then what is the alternative except national bankruptcy — which takes the form of meeting all the claims in nominal terms and then hyper-inflating? 

The alternative lies in the denominator of the Debt/GDP ratio.  We have to grow GDP as fast as possible.  Unfortunately, no one wants to talk about creating incentives for growth. The only discussion is how to cushion everyone from slower growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JVDeLong wrote:<br />
So if we cannot allow piecemeal bankruptcies to clear the system, then what is the alternative except national bankruptcy — which takes the form of meeting all the claims in nominal terms and then hyper-inflating? </p>
<p>The alternative lies in the denominator of the Debt/GDP ratio.  We have to grow GDP as fast as possible.  Unfortunately, no one wants to talk about creating incentives for growth. The only discussion is how to cushion everyone from slower growth.</p>
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		<title>By: JV</title>
		<link>http://alephblog.com/2008/11/15/the-humility-of-realism/comment-page-1/#comment-20029</link>
		<dc:creator>JV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello David, I have just recently begun to follow your blog and I&#039;d like to thank you for all of the good reading.

Here is another article with a similar outlook as you have described, though it goes a bit far in places is worth the read either way. (And this blog is in no way affiliated with me and I have no personal gain from linking it)

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/want-change-lets-try-truly-free-markets/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello David, I have just recently begun to follow your blog and I&#8217;d like to thank you for all of the good reading.</p>
<p>Here is another article with a similar outlook as you have described, though it goes a bit far in places is worth the read either way. (And this blog is in no way affiliated with me and I have no personal gain from linking it)</p>
<p><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/want-change-lets-try-truly-free-markets/" rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/want-change-lets-try-truly-free-markets/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ray Taylor</title>
		<link>http://alephblog.com/2008/11/15/the-humility-of-realism/comment-page-1/#comment-20027</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....hmmm -- &quot;I say Big Bang...&quot;...so you&#039;re a financial analyst with a wife and eight children and you don&#039;t mind being unemployed for a few years...or, alternatively, bagging groceries at Kroger (if it&#039;s still in business)...you might want to ask the rest of your family for their opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.hmmm &#8212; &#8220;I say Big Bang&#8230;&#8221;&#8230;so you&#8217;re a financial analyst with a wife and eight children and you don&#8217;t mind being unemployed for a few years&#8230;or, alternatively, bagging groceries at Kroger (if it&#8217;s still in business)&#8230;you might want to ask the rest of your family for their opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: anonCA</title>
		<link>http://alephblog.com/2008/11/15/the-humility-of-realism/comment-page-1/#comment-20026</link>
		<dc:creator>anonCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  This is a discussion policy-makers should be having.  I posted this on Roubini&#039;s page:

Anybody else wondering about this: &quot;One can thus only hope that this adjustment of consumption and savings rates occurs only slowly over time – four years rather than two.&quot;

Is it better to have one year of disaster, mass unemployment and hit bottom fast or to have four years of drawn out misery?

I tend to think that the latter case will be worse for general economic confidence and thus harder to recover from. Thus, I vote for (i) putting in place a safety net for the unemployed and homeless, (ii) arranging for quick resolution bankruptcies for the likes of GM (I don&#039;t see a problem with selling all of our car manufacturers to the Japanese and Germans for $1 each), (iii) forcing all financial institutions to mark their books down to nuclear winter levels, (if you assume those CDOs are worth nothing, you can be surprised on the upside if you&#039;re wrong), (iv) recapitalizing the best of the financial institutions and liquidating the rest.

I would expect the economy to recover strongly once we reach a bottom. Of course, I could be wrong...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  This is a discussion policy-makers should be having.  I posted this on Roubini&#8217;s page:</p>
<p>Anybody else wondering about this: &#8220;One can thus only hope that this adjustment of consumption and savings rates occurs only slowly over time – four years rather than two.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it better to have one year of disaster, mass unemployment and hit bottom fast or to have four years of drawn out misery?</p>
<p>I tend to think that the latter case will be worse for general economic confidence and thus harder to recover from. Thus, I vote for (i) putting in place a safety net for the unemployed and homeless, (ii) arranging for quick resolution bankruptcies for the likes of GM (I don&#8217;t see a problem with selling all of our car manufacturers to the Japanese and Germans for $1 each), (iii) forcing all financial institutions to mark their books down to nuclear winter levels, (if you assume those CDOs are worth nothing, you can be surprised on the upside if you&#8217;re wrong), (iv) recapitalizing the best of the financial institutions and liquidating the rest.</p>
<p>I would expect the economy to recover strongly once we reach a bottom. Of course, I could be wrong&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: VennData</title>
		<link>http://alephblog.com/2008/11/15/the-humility-of-realism/comment-page-1/#comment-20024</link>
		<dc:creator>VennData</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The claim that &quot;this will give a chance to see who was truly correct about what to do then versus now...&quot; is an exaggeration of the benefit of ex post outcomes of economic cause and effect.

The idea that a &quot;Bling Standard&quot; is somehow realistic, desirable, is wrong,  Even the Swiss have dumped theirs.  It makes you vulnerable to whomever buys up &quot;all the&quot; gold:  SWFs, foreign central banks, Private equity, Hedge funds etc... The Fed may have had a hand in too much leverage, but the system self-corrects.  The biggest problem after Reagan&#039;s appointment of Greenspan was Bush&#039;s administrative fiat: the 2004 leverage ruling and Congress&#039;s post-Clinton budget busting.

One change we need is addressed correctly above: government policies need to be counter cyclical during boom times - no nation wants to be hamstrung by the pro-cyclical &quot;Bling Standard&quot; - government systems should be counter-cyclical.

At a minimum, the Fed needs to be allowed into VIP lounge where the punch bowl resides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The claim that &#8220;this will give a chance to see who was truly correct about what to do then versus now&#8230;&#8221; is an exaggeration of the benefit of ex post outcomes of economic cause and effect.</p>
<p>The idea that a &#8220;Bling Standard&#8221; is somehow realistic, desirable, is wrong,  Even the Swiss have dumped theirs.  It makes you vulnerable to whomever buys up &#8220;all the&#8221; gold:  SWFs, foreign central banks, Private equity, Hedge funds etc&#8230; The Fed may have had a hand in too much leverage, but the system self-corrects.  The biggest problem after Reagan&#8217;s appointment of Greenspan was Bush&#8217;s administrative fiat: the 2004 leverage ruling and Congress&#8217;s post-Clinton budget busting.</p>
<p>One change we need is addressed correctly above: government policies need to be counter cyclical during boom times &#8211; no nation wants to be hamstrung by the pro-cyclical &#8220;Bling Standard&#8221; &#8211; government systems should be counter-cyclical.</p>
<p>At a minimum, the Fed needs to be allowed into VIP lounge where the punch bowl resides.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone tried to estimate what the economic situation would have been in the US had we not won the war? I know it sounds stupid, but I&#039;m very dubious about this &#039;WWII ended the depression theory&#039;. Winning WWII was such a profound positive shock to the US economy that attempts to draw economic analogies and quantify an equivalent amount of peacetime stimulus seem stretched at best. 

In terms of the question of how much stimulus we need, there must be many more examples of countries applying economic stimulus to study than the few people are bantering about at the moment. OK, so modern day Japan, Britain in the 70&#039;s and the total experience of the New Deal are not encouraging for Keynesians. Where are the happy endings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone tried to estimate what the economic situation would have been in the US had we not won the war? I know it sounds stupid, but I&#8217;m very dubious about this &#8216;WWII ended the depression theory&#8217;. Winning WWII was such a profound positive shock to the US economy that attempts to draw economic analogies and quantify an equivalent amount of peacetime stimulus seem stretched at best. </p>
<p>In terms of the question of how much stimulus we need, there must be many more examples of countries applying economic stimulus to study than the few people are bantering about at the moment. OK, so modern day Japan, Britain in the 70&#8217;s and the total experience of the New Deal are not encouraging for Keynesians. Where are the happy endings?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I have a deep suspicion that people who advocate we take our medicine sharply, are generally in positions where the pain will not happen to fall sharply on them, but on other people.  I suspect the author is one of these.   I am pretty appalled at the indifference such people show to the enormous suffering real depression would bring to huge numbers of people.
Second, I do not know of strong agreement that the Great Depression cured itself; most seem to think  the fortuitous enormous spending of World War II finished it off, not an automatic self-regulating process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I have a deep suspicion that people who advocate we take our medicine sharply, are generally in positions where the pain will not happen to fall sharply on them, but on other people.  I suspect the author is one of these.   I am pretty appalled at the indifference such people show to the enormous suffering real depression would bring to huge numbers of people.<br />
Second, I do not know of strong agreement that the Great Depression cured itself; most seem to think  the fortuitous enormous spending of World War II finished it off, not an automatic self-regulating process.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, David answered part of your question on where to invest in his November 12 article &quot;What is a Depression?&quot;  Look toward the end of his article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, David answered part of your question on where to invest in his November 12 article &#8220;What is a Depression?&#8221;  Look toward the end of his article.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: Would a reverse ETF such as the Proshares Ultrashort treasury funds be a good hedge against inflation or a failure of the Government to finance it&#039;s obligations at current interest rates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: Would a reverse ETF such as the Proshares Ultrashort treasury funds be a good hedge against inflation or a failure of the Government to finance it&#8217;s obligations at current interest rates?</p>
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		<title>By: JVDeLong</title>
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		<dc:creator>JVDeLong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - a question for you. I cannot claim a good grasp of macro, but my intuitive sense is that the key is your comment about the ratio of debt to GDP. Some of these claims must be wiped out by default - but the chief political characteristic of the system is an utter inability to inflict losses. Everyone must be bailed out.

So if we cannot allow piecemeal bankruptcies to clear the system, then what is the alternative except national bankruptcy -- which takes the form of meeting all the claims in nominal terms and then hyper-inflating? 

I have stayed with stock market investments on the theory that either the crisis will be brought under control and the stocks will recover, or that the efforts will fail and national bankruptcy will ensue, which means that money-equivalents are not a conservative investment. I do not think the Fed/Treasury will repeat the deflation scenario of the 1930s. 

BTW - I heard James Grant speak last week, and he is bearish on money and bullish on high yielding corporate bonds, but I dunno -- that looks like threading a needle.

Your thoughts (and I would be happy to be told that I am crazy)? (And I add my thanks Scott M&#039;s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; a question for you. I cannot claim a good grasp of macro, but my intuitive sense is that the key is your comment about the ratio of debt to GDP. Some of these claims must be wiped out by default &#8211; but the chief political characteristic of the system is an utter inability to inflict losses. Everyone must be bailed out.</p>
<p>So if we cannot allow piecemeal bankruptcies to clear the system, then what is the alternative except national bankruptcy &#8212; which takes the form of meeting all the claims in nominal terms and then hyper-inflating? </p>
<p>I have stayed with stock market investments on the theory that either the crisis will be brought under control and the stocks will recover, or that the efforts will fail and national bankruptcy will ensue, which means that money-equivalents are not a conservative investment. I do not think the Fed/Treasury will repeat the deflation scenario of the 1930s. </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; I heard James Grant speak last week, and he is bearish on money and bullish on high yielding corporate bonds, but I dunno &#8212; that looks like threading a needle.</p>
<p>Your thoughts (and I would be happy to be told that I am crazy)? (And I add my thanks Scott M&#8217;s).</p>
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