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> <channel><title>Comments on: Liquidity and the Current Proposal by the US Treasury</title> <atom:link href="http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/liquidity-and-the-current-proposal-by-the-us-treasury/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/liquidity-and-the-current-proposal-by-the-us-treasury/</link> <description>Helping Institutions and Ordinary People Invest Better by Focusing on Risk Control</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:41:54 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/liquidity-and-the-current-proposal-by-the-us-treasury/comment-page-1/#comment-21321</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:48:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1551#comment-21321</guid> <description>I don&#039;t think that&#039;s their strategy.  If I have to be humorous about it, I would call their strategy, &quot;The Audacity of Hope.&quot;  They hope this will work, and assume that the biggest fiscal and monetary stimulus that they can muster will be enough to get things rolling.  I don&#039;t see it working, though.
They have avoided bankruptcy efforts so far, even where they made sense.  I called for RTC-style solutions from the beginning, with a government DIP lender where systemic risk was a threat.  It requires the least subsidy, and lets the consequences fall where they deserve to, while minimizing overall risk.
They&#039;ve got great credentials -- but the Obama economics team is acting like Bush-plus, and they get in each other&#039;s way.  I was never very optimistic, but I feel that there is little good that will come out of our government&#039;s actions.  The intermediate-term question is when does the Dollar break down?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s their strategy.  If I have to be humorous about it, I would call their strategy, &#8220;The Audacity of Hope.&#8221;  They hope this will work, and assume that the biggest fiscal and monetary stimulus that they can muster will be enough to get things rolling.  I don&#8217;t see it working, though.</p><p>They have avoided bankruptcy efforts so far, even where they made sense.  I called for RTC-style solutions from the beginning, with a government DIP lender where systemic risk was a threat.  It requires the least subsidy, and lets the consequences fall where they deserve to, while minimizing overall risk.</p><p>They&#8217;ve got great credentials &#8212; but the Obama economics team is acting like Bush-plus, and they get in each other&#8217;s way.  I was never very optimistic, but I feel that there is little good that will come out of our government&#8217;s actions.  The intermediate-term question is when does the Dollar break down?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert A.</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/liquidity-and-the-current-proposal-by-the-us-treasury/comment-page-1/#comment-21319</link> <dc:creator>Robert A.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:17:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1551#comment-21319</guid> <description>Kudos for a content-rich post.
Please comment further on the statement, &quot;Price discovery from the auctions might force them to write up or down securities, ...&quot;
My impression is that if the banks can&#039;t sell many of these securities under these subsidized conditions, they would be forced to further write down what&#039;s on their books, forcing an RTC-nationalization.  Is this Geithner&#039;s real end-game?  Heads we win, tails you lose.  I&#039;ve seen this strategy alluded to, but I haven&#039;t seen anyone opine that this is precisely what Treasury&#039;s tactic is.  Thoughts?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos for a content-rich post.</p><p>Please comment further on the statement, &#8220;Price discovery from the auctions might force them to write up or down securities, &#8230;&#8221;</p><p>My impression is that if the banks can&#8217;t sell many of these securities under these subsidized conditions, they would be forced to further write down what&#8217;s on their books, forcing an RTC-nationalization.  Is this Geithner&#8217;s real end-game?  Heads we win, tails you lose.  I&#8217;ve seen this strategy alluded to, but I haven&#8217;t seen anyone opine that this is precisely what Treasury&#8217;s tactic is.  Thoughts?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: brian</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/liquidity-and-the-current-proposal-by-the-us-treasury/comment-page-1/#comment-21315</link> <dc:creator>brian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:24:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1551#comment-21315</guid> <description>There have been multiple analysis done showing it is entirely possible for the private investors to make a lot of money and for the government to loose a lot of money.  The public private investment program does not guarantee that the monetary outcome of the private investor is in the same direction as the taxpayer.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been multiple analysis done showing it is entirely possible for the private investors to make a lot of money and for the government to loose a lot of money.  The public private investment program does not guarantee that the monetary outcome of the private investor is in the same direction as the taxpayer.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don the libertarian Democrat</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/liquidity-and-the-current-proposal-by-the-us-treasury/comment-page-1/#comment-21312</link> <dc:creator>Don the libertarian Democrat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:04:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1551#comment-21312</guid> <description>An excellent post. One of the few commentaries on this plan that I can understand, and relates well to what I actually read in the government White Paper and further comments.
The holding company post was very good as well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent post. One of the few commentaries on this plan that I can understand, and relates well to what I actually read in the government White Paper and further comments.</p><p>The holding company post was very good as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve Spencer</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/liquidity-and-the-current-proposal-by-the-us-treasury/comment-page-1/#comment-21302</link> <dc:creator>Steve Spencer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:39:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1551#comment-21302</guid> <description>I don&#039;t see this plan providing much help because it doesn&#039;t solve the real problem, which is simply too much debt.  To make a loan, there have to be two parties, a lender and a borrower.  You can try to improve the banks&#039; health, maybe improve their ability to loan, but if over-indebted consumers don&#039;t want (or are unable) to borrow, it does nothing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see this plan providing much help because it doesn&#8217;t solve the real problem, which is simply too much debt.  To make a loan, there have to be two parties, a lender and a borrower.  You can try to improve the banks&#8217; health, maybe improve their ability to loan, but if over-indebted consumers don&#8217;t want (or are unable) to borrow, it does nothing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeff Miller</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/liquidity-and-the-current-proposal-by-the-us-treasury/comment-page-1/#comment-21295</link> <dc:creator>Jeff Miller</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 05:09:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1551#comment-21295</guid> <description>This is a very nice analysis from all perspectives, much better than most people who start with a viewpoint.
Some of the banks will sell, partly because the subsidized price will be attractive.  Anything that clears these securities and leads to normal lending will be good for the economy and for the market.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very nice analysis from all perspectives, much better than most people who start with a viewpoint.</p><p>Some of the banks will sell, partly because the subsidized price will be attractive.  Anything that clears these securities and leads to normal lending will be good for the economy and for the market.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/liquidity-and-the-current-proposal-by-the-us-treasury/comment-page-1/#comment-21288</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:19:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1551#comment-21288</guid> <description>RB -- since writing, I have had more time to think.
Because of the auction process, subsidized funding, and the free put option, this will tend to get the buyers to overpay, which might induce the banks to part with more dud assets.  Then the pricing grids will reflect those overstated prices, making the banks look better than they should.  The banks get time, but the underlying problems in the eventual cash flows don&#039;t disappear.
Losses will get taken later by the asset managers, but mostly, by the government.  Maybe things will be better then -- some suggest that the economics team for Obama is merely playing for time and hoping.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RB &#8212; since writing, I have had more time to think.</p><p>Because of the auction process, subsidized funding, and the free put option, this will tend to get the buyers to overpay, which might induce the banks to part with more dud assets.  Then the pricing grids will reflect those overstated prices, making the banks look better than they should.  The banks get time, but the underlying problems in the eventual cash flows don&#8217;t disappear.</p><p>Losses will get taken later by the asset managers, but mostly, by the government.  Maybe things will be better then &#8212; some suggest that the economics team for Obama is merely playing for time and hoping.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RB</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/liquidity-and-the-current-proposal-by-the-us-treasury/comment-page-1/#comment-21285</link> <dc:creator>RB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:48:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1551#comment-21285</guid> <description>David,
Great article with multiple perspectives. What do you think of Chris Whalen&#039;s comment, as I understand it, that there is adequate incentive to overpay?
http://us1.institutionalriskanalytics.com/pub/IRAstory.asp?tag=349</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br
/> Great article with multiple perspectives. What do you think of Chris Whalen&#8217;s comment, as I understand it, that there is adequate incentive to overpay?<br
/> <a
href="http://us1.institutionalriskanalytics.com/pub/IRAstory.asp?tag=349" rel="nofollow">http://us1.institutionalriskanalytics.com/pub/IRAstory.asp?tag=349</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt Swanholm</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/liquidity-and-the-current-proposal-by-the-us-treasury/comment-page-1/#comment-21281</link> <dc:creator>Matt Swanholm</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:11:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1551#comment-21281</guid> <description>What a terrific, thoughtful, and informative post.
Personally, I&#039;d think the banks would test out the program by offering the lemons on their lot first.  Another phenomenon of the introduction of a large new bid flush with cash is for the sellers to probe exactly how stupid the buyer wants to be.
And from the buyer&#039;s POV in this case (speaking of the PIMCOs and BlackRocks of the world), a few initial overbids for dud assets are mitigated by the excess proceeds going onto bank balance sheets, thus reducing their large exposure to &quot;sick bank&quot; debt even if their equity in the dud asset is written off.  Probably a net positive for them, given the leverage involved.
I&#039;d be interested if the taxpayer is protected in the event of a single large &quot;outlier&quot; bid, which seems to be our biggest risk here.  Interfluidity has a good, properly wary post on the subject.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a terrific, thoughtful, and informative post.</p><p>Personally, I&#8217;d think the banks would test out the program by offering the lemons on their lot first.  Another phenomenon of the introduction of a large new bid flush with cash is for the sellers to probe exactly how stupid the buyer wants to be.</p><p>And from the buyer&#8217;s POV in this case (speaking of the PIMCOs and BlackRocks of the world), a few initial overbids for dud assets are mitigated by the excess proceeds going onto bank balance sheets, thus reducing their large exposure to &#8220;sick bank&#8221; debt even if their equity in the dud asset is written off.  Probably a net positive for them, given the leverage involved.</p><p>I&#8217;d be interested if the taxpayer is protected in the event of a single large &#8220;outlier&#8221; bid, which seems to be our biggest risk here.  Interfluidity has a good, properly wary post on the subject.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
