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> <channel><title>Comments on: Translation: We Really, REALLY, Hate You Guys!!</title> <atom:link href="http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/translation-we-really-really-hate-you-guys/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/translation-we-really-really-hate-you-guys/</link> <description>Helping Institutions and Ordinary People Invest Better by Focusing on Risk Control</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:02:53 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Hank Sheller</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/translation-we-really-really-hate-you-guys/comment-page-1/#comment-21380</link> <dc:creator>Hank Sheller</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:09:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1554#comment-21380</guid> <description>I generally agree with the views expressed in the post. I think Mr. Stern&#039;s argument that international power and prestige are the primary goal of China&#039;s govmt is flawed in two ways.
First, China&#039;s relentless purchases of U.S. treasuries have not put China in a position &quot;to have influence over U.S. policy and diminish relative U.S. prestige and influence&quot;. If anything the opposite is true, as the author correctly points out above.
Second, the primary goal of China&#039;s ruling party (besides maintaining its grip on power) is maintaining social stability. China must grow rapidly to keep its massive population out of poverty. Export-led growth (with a disproportionately large amount of exports to going to the U.S.) and a stable yuan (i.e. linked to the value of the dollar so that Chinese exports never get too expensive for U.S. consumers) have helped China achieve this goal. But they have also increased China&#039;s dependence on the U.S., both as a consumer of China-made goods and a supplier of U.S. dollar-denominated bonds. Not to mention U.S. FDI in China, another needed source of job-creation and technology transfer.
Dollar purchases by China recycle dollars and keep the conveyor belt moving and also prop up the dollar vis-a-vis the yuan. It&#039;s not about prestige, although it is true that the Chinese govmt would willingly endure some degree of loss in order to save or gain face.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally agree with the views expressed in the post. I think Mr. Stern&#8217;s argument that international power and prestige are the primary goal of China&#8217;s govmt is flawed in two ways.</p><p>First, China&#8217;s relentless purchases of U.S. treasuries have not put China in a position &#8220;to have influence over U.S. policy and diminish relative U.S. prestige and influence&#8221;. If anything the opposite is true, as the author correctly points out above.</p><p>Second, the primary goal of China&#8217;s ruling party (besides maintaining its grip on power) is maintaining social stability. China must grow rapidly to keep its massive population out of poverty. Export-led growth (with a disproportionately large amount of exports to going to the U.S.) and a stable yuan (i.e. linked to the value of the dollar so that Chinese exports never get too expensive for U.S. consumers) have helped China achieve this goal. But they have also increased China&#8217;s dependence on the U.S., both as a consumer of China-made goods and a supplier of U.S. dollar-denominated bonds. Not to mention U.S. FDI in China, another needed source of job-creation and technology transfer.</p><p>Dollar purchases by China recycle dollars and keep the conveyor belt moving and also prop up the dollar vis-a-vis the yuan. It&#8217;s not about prestige, although it is true that the Chinese govmt would willingly endure some degree of loss in order to save or gain face.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Gerlitz</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/translation-we-really-really-hate-you-guys/comment-page-1/#comment-21290</link> <dc:creator>David Gerlitz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:56:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1554#comment-21290</guid> <description>Hi David, Many thanks for the insightful commentary on your blog.  I was curious for your take on the Fed&#039;s Yellen&#039;s comments today.  It seems she is leading us to another pretty big point down the road:  the fed printing it&#039;s own debt.  I&#039;d like to hear your thoughts on this as well as this comment in particular:  &quot;Issuing such debt would reduce the volume of reserves in the financial system and push up the funds rate without shrinking the total size of our balance sheet.&quot;  Many thanks, Dave</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, Many thanks for the insightful commentary on your blog.  I was curious for your take on the Fed&#8217;s Yellen&#8217;s comments today.  It seems she is leading us to another pretty big point down the road:  the fed printing it&#8217;s own debt.  I&#8217;d like to hear your thoughts on this as well as this comment in particular:  &#8220;Issuing such debt would reduce the volume of reserves in the financial system and push up the funds rate without shrinking the total size of our balance sheet.&#8221;  Many thanks, Dave</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jdmckay</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/translation-we-really-really-hate-you-guys/comment-page-1/#comment-21287</link> <dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:09:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1554#comment-21287</guid> <description>Thanks, will do.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, will do.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/translation-we-really-really-hate-you-guys/comment-page-1/#comment-21286</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:59:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1554#comment-21286</guid> <description>jdmckay -- I&#039;m not sure, but you could try Charles Davi at Derivative Dribble, or jck at Alea</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jdmckay &#8212; I&#8217;m not sure, but you could try Charles Davi at Derivative Dribble, or jck at Alea</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jdmckay</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/translation-we-really-really-hate-you-guys/comment-page-1/#comment-21284</link> <dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:05:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1554#comment-21284</guid> <description>A bit OT, but...
After watching FSC hearing yesterday I&#039;m reminded of something which confuses me and has not (or I haven&#039;t found) been adequately explained.
Around Oct last year, we read there was +/- $70t in toxic assets (mostly mortgage CDSs as I understand it) floating around the globe.  Given most of it was off the books or unregulated, as I understand that was a best guesstimate.
By mid-December, I read that total was down to around +/- $40t.  Ok, I never got clear about what happened to that $30t reduction.
Now a couple weeks ago one of Roubini&#039;s RGE newsletters said it was (from memory) around $4.5t.  Then Geithner testified yesterday it was significantly less than that, although he didn&#039;t pinpoint a #.
So my questions:
a) how many $&#039;s of toxic assets are out there?
b) how did we get from $70t to $4.5?
Thanks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit OT, but&#8230;</p><p>After watching FSC hearing yesterday I&#8217;m reminded of something which confuses me and has not (or I haven&#8217;t found) been adequately explained.</p><p>Around Oct last year, we read there was +/- $70t in toxic assets (mostly mortgage CDSs as I understand it) floating around the globe.  Given most of it was off the books or unregulated, as I understand that was a best guesstimate.</p><p>By mid-December, I read that total was down to around +/- $40t.  Ok, I never got clear about what happened to that $30t reduction.</p><p>Now a couple weeks ago one of Roubini&#8217;s RGE newsletters said it was (from memory) around $4.5t.  Then Geithner testified yesterday it was significantly less than that, although he didn&#8217;t pinpoint a #.</p><p>So my questions:<br
/> a) how many $&#8217;s of toxic assets are out there?<br
/> b) how did we get from $70t to $4.5?</p><p>Thanks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Josh Stern</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/translation-we-really-really-hate-you-guys/comment-page-1/#comment-21282</link> <dc:creator>Josh Stern</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:11:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1554#comment-21282</guid> <description>What I&#039;m trying to say above is that I believe the PRC&#039;s main policy goals are nationalistic, and only contingently mercantile.  Of course they have officials charged with managing investments and those officials want to do well at their sub-mission, but if we are trying to explain their overall behavior, we&#039;d do better to focus on what they believe will bring glory, prestige, and influence to China (while keeping current govt. in power) rather than what they believe will boost their coffers.   In particular, the idea that they would be afraid to take losses even if it helped their main (nationalistic) policy goals is wrongheaded and potentially dangerous.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m trying to say above is that I believe the PRC&#8217;s main policy goals are nationalistic, and only contingently mercantile.  Of course they have officials charged with managing investments and those officials want to do well at their sub-mission, but if we are trying to explain their overall behavior, we&#8217;d do better to focus on what they believe will bring glory, prestige, and influence to China (while keeping current govt. in power) rather than what they believe will boost their coffers.   In particular, the idea that they would be afraid to take losses even if it helped their main (nationalistic) policy goals is wrongheaded and potentially dangerous.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: vbrief.com</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/translation-we-really-really-hate-you-guys/comment-page-1/#comment-21280</link> <dc:creator>vbrief.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:57:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1554#comment-21280</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;We really, REALLY, hate you guys!!...&lt;/strong&gt;
Once you (China) start issuing $1 trillion-$2 trillion . . .we (US) know the dollar is going to depreciate, so we hate you guys but there is nothing much we can do....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>We really, REALLY, hate you guys!!&#8230;</strong></p><p>Once you (China) start issuing $1 trillion-$2 trillion . . .we (US) know the dollar is going to depreciate, so we hate you guys but there is nothing much we can do&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/translation-we-really-really-hate-you-guys/comment-page-1/#comment-21278</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:21:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1554#comment-21278</guid> <description>There&#039;s one other thing I forgot to mention: China has conflicting policy goals.  They want to keep the dollar strong relative to the Yuan to preserve their investment.  They don&#039;t want to invest more in the US because they feel stuffed already.  They still want to export to the US, but they still don&#039;t want to take back US goods, so they will continue to to take assets.  They don&#039;t want to be so closely linked to the US financial markets, so they want to diversify out of US Dollar assets.
What a muddle.  They are aiming at conflicting goals.  A lot of things would clear up if they started buying US goods and services.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s one other thing I forgot to mention: China has conflicting policy goals.  They want to keep the dollar strong relative to the Yuan to preserve their investment.  They don&#8217;t want to invest more in the US because they feel stuffed already.  They still want to export to the US, but they still don&#8217;t want to take back US goods, so they will continue to to take assets.  They don&#8217;t want to be so closely linked to the US financial markets, so they want to diversify out of US Dollar assets.</p><p>What a muddle.  They are aiming at conflicting goals.  A lot of things would clear up if they started buying US goods and services.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Josh Stern</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/03/24/translation-we-really-really-hate-you-guys/comment-page-1/#comment-21277</link> <dc:creator>Josh Stern</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:28:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1554#comment-21277</guid> <description>It seems to me that the view presented above is premised on some odd ideas about the plans and motives of the Chinese govt.   They hold dollars and treasuries today, and those assets are relatively strong, but the idea is that China has some kind of a problem because those assets will depreciate in value relative to other assets or commodities sometime in the future.  That can only be a problem if they plan to convert/spend/draw down their dollar holdings in the future, but they can&#039;t spend/convert them today.  In other words, poor China doesn&#039;t want to spend today because she is saving for early retirement, but she also can&#039;t think of much with a good expected rate of return on investment, and mean old First Bank of Bernanke isn&#039;t cooperating with her craving for saving.
There is a naive alternative explanation about what China is up to that makes a lot more sense to me.  It says that the govt. of China has enough money to spend for most of what it wants both now and in the future (note that is very different than having enough money for the standard of living that the Chinese people want, which would give them more time to agitate and demand different govt.), but what it craves more than a high rate of return after inflation is international power and prestige. This naive theory says that the PRC positions themselves to to have influence over U.S. policy and diminish relative U.S. prestige and influence where possible because that in itself is the end they are seeking, and worrying about dollar devaluation is mainly just a prop in that game.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the view presented above is premised on some odd ideas about the plans and motives of the Chinese govt.   They hold dollars and treasuries today, and those assets are relatively strong, but the idea is that China has some kind of a problem because those assets will depreciate in value relative to other assets or commodities sometime in the future.  That can only be a problem if they plan to convert/spend/draw down their dollar holdings in the future, but they can&#8217;t spend/convert them today.  In other words, poor China doesn&#8217;t want to spend today because she is saving for early retirement, but she also can&#8217;t think of much with a good expected rate of return on investment, and mean old First Bank of Bernanke isn&#8217;t cooperating with her craving for saving.</p><p>There is a naive alternative explanation about what China is up to that makes a lot more sense to me.  It says that the govt. of China has enough money to spend for most of what it wants both now and in the future (note that is very different than having enough money for the standard of living that the Chinese people want, which would give them more time to agitate and demand different govt.), but what it craves more than a high rate of return after inflation is international power and prestige. This naive theory says that the PRC positions themselves to to have influence over U.S. policy and diminish relative U.S. prestige and influence where possible because that in itself is the end they are seeking, and worrying about dollar devaluation is mainly just a prop in that game.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
