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> <channel><title>Comments on: Ancient and Modern: The Retirement Tripod</title> <atom:link href="http://alephblog.com/2009/04/16/ancient-and-modern-the-retirement-tripod/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/04/16/ancient-and-modern-the-retirement-tripod/</link> <description>Helping Institutions and Ordinary People Invest Better by Focusing on Risk Control</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 21:31:47 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Chris</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/04/16/ancient-and-modern-the-retirement-tripod/comment-page-1/#comment-21545</link> <dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:58:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1602#comment-21545</guid> <description>Great post as usual. I was wondering if you could elaborate when you say:
&quot;Global trade is a much larger portion of total economic activity than ever.  If the global division of labor breaks down through trade wars, it could get really ugly, especially for deficit nations like the US.&quot;
I was surprised that you thought trade wars would be especially bad for deficit countries. Although trade wars hurt everyone, I usually think of them hurting the trade surplus (i.e. exporting) nations the most, since they are so dependent one exports for economic activity. Whereas, trade deficit countries are not dependent on imports in nearly the same sense.
Is there some effects of trade wars on trade deficit countries that I am missing?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post as usual. I was wondering if you could elaborate when you say:</p><p>&#8220;Global trade is a much larger portion of total economic activity than ever.  If the global division of labor breaks down through trade wars, it could get really ugly, especially for deficit nations like the US.&#8221;</p><p>I was surprised that you thought trade wars would be especially bad for deficit countries. Although trade wars hurt everyone, I usually think of them hurting the trade surplus (i.e. exporting) nations the most, since they are so dependent one exports for economic activity. Whereas, trade deficit countries are not dependent on imports in nearly the same sense.</p><p>Is there some effects of trade wars on trade deficit countries that I am missing?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A.S.</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/04/16/ancient-and-modern-the-retirement-tripod/comment-page-1/#comment-21542</link> <dc:creator>A.S.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:35:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1602#comment-21542</guid> <description>Another aspect is the loss of purchasing power of our savings, the most direct and painful legacy of the way fiscal problems are solved by our elected officials.  Current deflationary aspects aside, money simply doesn&#039;t buy what it used to, and that trend is likely to accelerate in future.
Woe to any retired person who doesn&#039;t take this into consideration, starting with the cost of essentials like utilities, cost of transportation, and ending with trends in property taxes. The state I live in (NJ) has devastated retired people of even moderate means in that respect.  Since property taxes are a major portion of municipal/state revenue, what will happen down the road? Nobody seems to be talking of the impact of property tax on the marginal home owners teetering on the edge. How many are pushed into foreclosure when property tax becomes the final straw?
I see taxes of all and any kind rising for as far as the eye can see. Not a happy scenario for retirement or our kids.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another aspect is the loss of purchasing power of our savings, the most direct and painful legacy of the way fiscal problems are solved by our elected officials.  Current deflationary aspects aside, money simply doesn&#8217;t buy what it used to, and that trend is likely to accelerate in future.</p><p>Woe to any retired person who doesn&#8217;t take this into consideration, starting with the cost of essentials like utilities, cost of transportation, and ending with trends in property taxes. The state I live in (NJ) has devastated retired people of even moderate means in that respect.  Since property taxes are a major portion of municipal/state revenue, what will happen down the road? Nobody seems to be talking of the impact of property tax on the marginal home owners teetering on the edge. How many are pushed into foreclosure when property tax becomes the final straw?</p><p>I see taxes of all and any kind rising for as far as the eye can see. Not a happy scenario for retirement or our kids.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/04/16/ancient-and-modern-the-retirement-tripod/comment-page-1/#comment-21539</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:28:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1602#comment-21539</guid> <description>PS -- 5 of my 8 kids are adopted.  Many of my friends have adopted kids as well.  Adopting kids has its share of challenges.  But it is an aid to society -- raising kids means work, but it means that there will be that many more children coming out of productive families, leading to a healthier future society.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8212; 5 of my 8 kids are adopted.  Many of my friends have adopted kids as well.  Adopting kids has its share of challenges.  But it is an aid to society &#8212; raising kids means work, but it means that there will be that many more children coming out of productive families, leading to a healthier future society.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/04/16/ancient-and-modern-the-retirement-tripod/comment-page-1/#comment-21538</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:20:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1602#comment-21538</guid> <description>F: On average, society has to have children at the replacement rate.  Aside from immigrants, Mormons, the wealthy, Orthodox Jews, and perhaps evangelicals, we are not there in the US, and Japan and Europe are worse.  Even Turkey and Mexico are below replacement rate.
My guess is that global population peaks in 2050, and starts shrinking.  Aside from a few African and Arab countries, few nations are significantly above replacement (for me, defined as 3 kids per woman completing her childbearing years).
But to the degree that populations shrink, retirement ages have to rise, maintaining ratios of those working to those supported by work.  It&#039;s that simple.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F: On average, society has to have children at the replacement rate.  Aside from immigrants, Mormons, the wealthy, Orthodox Jews, and perhaps evangelicals, we are not there in the US, and Japan and Europe are worse.  Even Turkey and Mexico are below replacement rate.</p><p>My guess is that global population peaks in 2050, and starts shrinking.  Aside from a few African and Arab countries, few nations are significantly above replacement (for me, defined as 3 kids per woman completing her childbearing years).</p><p>But to the degree that populations shrink, retirement ages have to rise, maintaining ratios of those working to those supported by work.  It&#8217;s that simple.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AllanF</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/04/16/ancient-and-modern-the-retirement-tripod/comment-page-1/#comment-21537</link> <dc:creator>AllanF</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:14:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1602#comment-21537</guid> <description>Excluding immigration, the US is in no better demographic shape than Europe or Japan. Or China, S. Korea, and Russia for that matter.
The marginal cost of children in a modern urban society is huge both in terms of direct financial costs and intangible opportunity costs to socializing. Obviously the latter is is not true for everyone (such as the Merkel&#039;s :-), but the data suggest this is true for more than most.
I don&#039;t know where we go from here, but it&#039;s probably going to be a tough transition. I don&#039;t know of a historical precedent for an inverted demographic pyramid. Perhaps Japan is telling us something in this regard?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excluding immigration, the US is in no better demographic shape than Europe or Japan. Or China, S. Korea, and Russia for that matter.</p><p>The marginal cost of children in a modern urban society is huge both in terms of direct financial costs and intangible opportunity costs to socializing. Obviously the latter is is not true for everyone (such as the Merkel&#8217;s <img
src='http://alephblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> , but the data suggest this is true for more than most.</p><p>I don&#8217;t know where we go from here, but it&#8217;s probably going to be a tough transition. I don&#8217;t know of a historical precedent for an inverted demographic pyramid. Perhaps Japan is telling us something in this regard?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: F</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/04/16/ancient-and-modern-the-retirement-tripod/comment-page-1/#comment-21533</link> <dc:creator>F</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:01:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1602#comment-21533</guid> <description>Agreed to some extent, but there are a few problems/considerations you may have missed.
First, to have your children support you, you need to have many of them; i.e. you need to have them at more than the replacement rate, especially as death rates have dropped. Regardless of how much of a problem you think overpopulation is, it is clearly unsustainable in the long term.
Second, in the past early retirement was not about &quot;having and easy time of it&quot;, it was about having worked a life of hard labor and being unable to continue past a certain age. Now this has changed quite a bit; many fewer people have those kinds of jobs these days, but what about those who do?
However, you are clearly correct about the difficulty of funding pensions/SS in a world of less rapidly expanding population.  So how do you solve that problem in a population neutral fashion?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed to some extent, but there are a few problems/considerations you may have missed.</p><p>First, to have your children support you, you need to have many of them; i.e. you need to have them at more than the replacement rate, especially as death rates have dropped. Regardless of how much of a problem you think overpopulation is, it is clearly unsustainable in the long term.</p><p>Second, in the past early retirement was not about &#8220;having and easy time of it&#8221;, it was about having worked a life of hard labor and being unable to continue past a certain age. Now this has changed quite a bit; many fewer people have those kinds of jobs these days, but what about those who do?</p><p>However, you are clearly correct about the difficulty of funding pensions/SS in a world of less rapidly expanding population.  So how do you solve that problem in a population neutral fashion?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
