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> <channel><title>Comments on: Twenty Notes on Current Risks in the Markets</title> <atom:link href="http://alephblog.com/2009/08/14/twenty-notes-on-current-risks-in-the-markets/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/08/14/twenty-notes-on-current-risks-in-the-markets/</link> <description>Helping Institutions and Ordinary People Invest Better by Focusing on Risk Control</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:02:53 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/08/14/twenty-notes-on-current-risks-in-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-22965</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:58:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1951#comment-22965</guid> <description>Ben -- sorry for the mess-up -- earnings and free cash flow yields.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben &#8212; sorry for the mess-up &#8212; earnings and free cash flow yields.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ben</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/08/14/twenty-notes-on-current-risks-in-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-22963</link> <dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:35:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1951#comment-22963</guid> <description>&quot;I am reducing risk in bonds, and looking for strong sustainable equity yields in equities.&quot;
Do you perhaps mean &quot;strong sustainable &#039;dividend&#039; yields in equities&quot;?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am reducing risk in bonds, and looking for strong sustainable equity yields in equities.&#8221;</p><p>Do you perhaps mean &#8220;strong sustainable &#8216;dividend&#8217; yields in equities&#8221;?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike C</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/08/14/twenty-notes-on-current-risks-in-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-22906</link> <dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:15:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1951#comment-22906</guid> <description>&lt;i&gt;7) Should we let managers compete free of the constraints imposed by manager consultants?  You bet, it would demonstrate the ability to add value clearly.  I face that  problem myself, in that I limit myself to anything traded on US equity exchanges.  As such, I have beaten most US equity managers (and the indexes) over the last nine years, &lt;b&gt;but no one wants to consider me because I don’t fit the paradigms of most manager consultants.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
David,
In my opinion, you are headed down a dead-end road trying to get AUM (institutional and pension) controlled by manager consultants as gatekeepers.  I’m not telling you anything you probably don’t already know, but in that world you have to “play it safe” where that means being down 38% with a S&amp;P 500 down 38% is OK.  It is all about “benchmark risk” and “career risk”.  Career risk is 100x more important then actual capital at risk, and it is much, much better to FAIL conventionally then succeed unconventionally and the take the risk of failing unconventionally and looking stupid compared to your peers.
If I were you, and I was dead serious about getting serious AUM to manage, and had at least some financial backing to start, and was 99% confident I could put up the long-term numbers, here is what I would do.  This is high risk-high reward.
Start a mutual fund with your unconventional style.  It will be expensive and a money-loser for awhile.  Once you build a 2-3 year track record, go after high-end upscale independent RIAs that primarily serve individuals.  They don’t care about benchmark risk, and tracking the S&amp;P and other assorted nonsense.  They care about delivering absolute returns to clients with the least risk taken.
I’ll use myself as an example.  I’m an RIA and I use a mix of mutual funds and stocks in managing client portfolios.  Can you guess my 2 largest equity funds (and actually 2 of my largest positions overall)?
Fairholme Fund managed by Bruce Berkowitz and Hussman Strategic Growth by Hussman.  Arguably, those are two of the most unconventional equity funds you’ll find in the entire equity fund universe, yet they’ve had no problem attracting massive AUM and going from 0 to billions in under 10 years.  I think FAIRX started in 1998 and Hussman in 2000.  Now I’d bet my last dollar that the overwhelming majority of money in those funds is not institutional or Joe Retail but high-end RIAs serving individual investors.
Why are they successful IMO?  Firstly, they deliver the numbers and serve a function in an overall portfolio (defense).  They’ve both beaten the S&amp;P 500 by wide margins cumulatively.  Secondly, they clearly articulate their philosophies and strategies.  Thirdly, they communicate often and effectively with fund shareholders.
You’ve got this blog.  That is a vehicle for both explaining and advertising.  At a previous employer, I started to do some DD on starting a fund.  It was way too expensive for the size of the firm.  I’ve been reading your blog for a long time, and it is in my top 5, no doubt.  If I had a more detailed insight into the specifics of your stock selection and portfolio management along with numbers, I would seriously consider investing in a fund you managed.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>7) Should we let managers compete free of the constraints imposed by manager consultants?  You bet, it would demonstrate the ability to add value clearly.  I face that  problem myself, in that I limit myself to anything traded on US equity exchanges.  As such, I have beaten most US equity managers (and the indexes) over the last nine years, <b>but no one wants to consider me because I don’t fit the paradigms of most manager consultants.</b></i></p><p>David,</p><p>In my opinion, you are headed down a dead-end road trying to get AUM (institutional and pension) controlled by manager consultants as gatekeepers.  I’m not telling you anything you probably don’t already know, but in that world you have to “play it safe” where that means being down 38% with a S&amp;P 500 down 38% is OK.  It is all about “benchmark risk” and “career risk”.  Career risk is 100x more important then actual capital at risk, and it is much, much better to FAIL conventionally then succeed unconventionally and the take the risk of failing unconventionally and looking stupid compared to your peers.</p><p>If I were you, and I was dead serious about getting serious AUM to manage, and had at least some financial backing to start, and was 99% confident I could put up the long-term numbers, here is what I would do.  This is high risk-high reward.</p><p>Start a mutual fund with your unconventional style.  It will be expensive and a money-loser for awhile.  Once you build a 2-3 year track record, go after high-end upscale independent RIAs that primarily serve individuals.  They don’t care about benchmark risk, and tracking the S&amp;P and other assorted nonsense.  They care about delivering absolute returns to clients with the least risk taken.</p><p>I’ll use myself as an example.  I’m an RIA and I use a mix of mutual funds and stocks in managing client portfolios.  Can you guess my 2 largest equity funds (and actually 2 of my largest positions overall)?</p><p>Fairholme Fund managed by Bruce Berkowitz and Hussman Strategic Growth by Hussman.  Arguably, those are two of the most unconventional equity funds you’ll find in the entire equity fund universe, yet they’ve had no problem attracting massive AUM and going from 0 to billions in under 10 years.  I think FAIRX started in 1998 and Hussman in 2000.  Now I’d bet my last dollar that the overwhelming majority of money in those funds is not institutional or Joe Retail but high-end RIAs serving individual investors.</p><p>Why are they successful IMO?  Firstly, they deliver the numbers and serve a function in an overall portfolio (defense).  They’ve both beaten the S&amp;P 500 by wide margins cumulatively.  Secondly, they clearly articulate their philosophies and strategies.  Thirdly, they communicate often and effectively with fund shareholders.</p><p>You’ve got this blog.  That is a vehicle for both explaining and advertising.  At a previous employer, I started to do some DD on starting a fund.  It was way too expensive for the size of the firm.  I’ve been reading your blog for a long time, and it is in my top 5, no doubt.  If I had a more detailed insight into the specifics of your stock selection and portfolio management along with numbers, I would seriously consider investing in a fund you managed.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/08/14/twenty-notes-on-current-risks-in-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-22905</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:35:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1951#comment-22905</guid> <description>firsttopanic -- I&#039;m not optimistic here either, but it is hard to tell what the government will do.  After all, during the Great Depression, they had the option of inflating, and did not take it.  I don&#039;t think the reason was due to lack of knowledge; the US had been through bimetallism...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>firsttopanic &#8212; I&#8217;m not optimistic here either, but it is hard to tell what the government will do.  After all, during the Great Depression, they had the option of inflating, and did not take it.  I don&#8217;t think the reason was due to lack of knowledge; the US had been through bimetallism&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/08/14/twenty-notes-on-current-risks-in-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-22904</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:32:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1951#comment-22904</guid> <description>BWDIK -- yes, that is possible.  What I would need is a comprehensive list of female public company CEOs in the US, and I have not found that.  But even with that, there are so many factors to consider, and the law of small numbers working, that any conclusion should be tentative at best.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BWDIK &#8212; yes, that is possible.  What I would need is a comprehensive list of female public company CEOs in the US, and I have not found that.  But even with that, there are so many factors to consider, and the law of small numbers working, that any conclusion should be tentative at best.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: firsttopanic</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/08/14/twenty-notes-on-current-risks-in-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-22903</link> <dc:creator>firsttopanic</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:09:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1951#comment-22903</guid> <description>David,
Just wanted to say thank for everything you. I like your calm way of writing things. I end up learning a lot from you.
Did you see the Shanghai market. Here is a good chart. http://i30.tinypic.com/51zx48.png
Also, I disagree with you on the Dollar. I belong to deflationary spiral followed by Inflation category. So expect to see market cracking as the Dollar keeps getting stronger.
Finally, I have a terrible time believing this thing will end well, without US citizens demanding some major changes to Fed.
Best to you and your family.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p><p>Just wanted to say thank for everything you. I like your calm way of writing things. I end up learning a lot from you.</p><p>Did you see the Shanghai market. Here is a good chart. <a
href="http://i30.tinypic.com/51zx48.png" rel="nofollow">http://i30.tinypic.com/51zx48.png</a></p><p>Also, I disagree with you on the Dollar. I belong to deflationary spiral followed by Inflation category. So expect to see market cracking as the Dollar keeps getting stronger.</p><p>Finally, I have a terrible time believing this thing will end well, without US citizens demanding some major changes to Fed.</p><p>Best to you and your family.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Manheim</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/08/14/twenty-notes-on-current-risks-in-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-22902</link> <dc:creator>David Manheim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:49:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1951#comment-22902</guid> <description>&quot;I have a bias in favor of buyside analysts, after all I was one.  But this research makes me question my bias.  Perhaps sellside analysts are less constrained than buyside analysts?&quot;
There is another factor - sellside analysts make recommendations effecting the markets they operate within. If Goldman recommends a stock, the stock may go up only because of the recommendation. I don&#039;t know how you would control for that, but it may be a significant implicit bias.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have a bias in favor of buyside analysts, after all I was one.  But this research makes me question my bias.  Perhaps sellside analysts are less constrained than buyside analysts?&#8221;</p><p>There is another factor &#8211; sellside analysts make recommendations effecting the markets they operate within. If Goldman recommends a stock, the stock may go up only because of the recommendation. I don&#8217;t know how you would control for that, but it may be a significant implicit bias.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: But What do I Know?</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/08/14/twenty-notes-on-current-risks-in-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-22901</link> <dc:creator>But What do I Know?</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:21:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1951#comment-22901</guid> <description>Wow!  Thanks for the insights, David.  Just a thought (from a man) on the woman-CEO study--is it possible that the companies have lower valuations because S&amp;P 500 companies won&#039;t promote a woman unless things are going to hell in a handbasket already (Carly Fiorina and HP excepted.  BTW, why does anyone take her seriously?)  I&#039;m thinking of Anne Mucahly (sp?) and Xerox here.  So a woman (on average) won&#039;t get the top job unless no one else wants it, i.e., a company in trouble.
Just a thought.  I don&#039;t know how big your data pool is.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Thanks for the insights, David.  Just a thought (from a man) on the woman-CEO study&#8211;is it possible that the companies have lower valuations because S&amp;P 500 companies won&#8217;t promote a woman unless things are going to hell in a handbasket already (Carly Fiorina and HP excepted.  BTW, why does anyone take her seriously?)  I&#8217;m thinking of Anne Mucahly (sp?) and Xerox here.  So a woman (on average) won&#8217;t get the top job unless no one else wants it, i.e., a company in trouble.</p><p>Just a thought.  I don&#8217;t know how big your data pool is.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
