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> <channel><title>Comments on: On Life Settlements</title> <atom:link href="http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/</link> <description>Helping Institutions and Ordinary People Invest Better by Focusing on Risk Control</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 21:31:47 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: joe riemer</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/comment-page-1/#comment-23220</link> <dc:creator>joe riemer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:58:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1997#comment-23220</guid> <description>side note, I have long wondered why no one offers a combination life - health insurance policy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>side note, I have long wondered why no one offers a combination life &#8211; health insurance policy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/comment-page-1/#comment-23211</link> <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:44:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1997#comment-23211</guid> <description>David,
Thank you for your response.  I will read your take on the industry and its&#039; products via the link you provided.  I agree that permanent life has its place in certain circumstances, but like interest-only or neg-am mortgages, the products were eventually pushed on the public as a whole by an industry that could not look beyond the next quarter and their representatives that could not look beyond the commission.
I think it is important to make the distinction, which you did, between term and permanent.  And it is equally important to note that investors are only interested in policies of the permanent variety.
You are correct that this is not a zero sum game - insurers will see fewer policies redeemed than expected should the settlement industry expand with or without the assistance of securitization.  So they will be the losers, but protected by the Too Big to Fail mandate.  America&#039;s seniors, on the other hand, have no such protection and any attempt to &quot;protect&quot; them from Wall Street will have the predictable opposite than intended effect.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p><p>Thank you for your response.  I will read your take on the industry and its&#8217; products via the link you provided.  I agree that permanent life has its place in certain circumstances, but like interest-only or neg-am mortgages, the products were eventually pushed on the public as a whole by an industry that could not look beyond the next quarter and their representatives that could not look beyond the commission.</p><p>I think it is important to make the distinction, which you did, between term and permanent.  And it is equally important to note that investors are only interested in policies of the permanent variety.</p><p>You are correct that this is not a zero sum game &#8211; insurers will see fewer policies redeemed than expected should the settlement industry expand with or without the assistance of securitization.  So they will be the losers, but protected by the Too Big to Fail mandate.  America&#8217;s seniors, on the other hand, have no such protection and any attempt to &#8220;protect&#8221; them from Wall Street will have the predictable opposite than intended effect.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JoshK</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/comment-page-1/#comment-23210</link> <dc:creator>JoshK</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:27:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1997#comment-23210</guid> <description>David, isn&#039;t this just making the market more efficient then?  Essentially, the insurance company priced the policies as if no one besides themselves could bid on them.  If someone had cancer and wanted to get what cash they could from their policy then they had few options.  Now the insured has more options and can make a better cash-out when sick.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, isn&#8217;t this just making the market more efficient then?  Essentially, the insurance company priced the policies as if no one besides themselves could bid on them.  If someone had cancer and wanted to get what cash they could from their policy then they had few options.  Now the insured has more options and can make a better cash-out when sick.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Merkel</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/comment-page-1/#comment-23209</link> <dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:19:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1997#comment-23209</guid> <description>Mike -- full disclosure: I am a life actuary who has been a critic of my industry for the last 20 years.  I have consistently encouraged people to buy term unless they have a complex tax planning need, or if they are very sick, in which case permanent insurance can be valid.
I derive no income from life insurance or annuity sales, and have not for the past 11 years.  Annuities?  I have been a critic there as well, but have derived income from the area, though I have never received a sales-based payment.
For some of my criticisms please consult the insurance articles listed on this page:
http://alephblog.com/major-article-list/
To answer another question, on how this hurts the insurance company: most pricing actuaries price in a certain amount of baseline surrender activity when it is not in the interest of the insured to do so.  When surrenders drop in later years, the present value of total claims rises more than any incremental increase in investment income.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8212; full disclosure: I am a life actuary who has been a critic of my industry for the last 20 years.  I have consistently encouraged people to buy term unless they have a complex tax planning need, or if they are very sick, in which case permanent insurance can be valid.</p><p>I derive no income from life insurance or annuity sales, and have not for the past 11 years.  Annuities?  I have been a critic there as well, but have derived income from the area, though I have never received a sales-based payment.</p><p>For some of my criticisms please consult the insurance articles listed on this page:</p><p><a
href="http://alephblog.com/major-article-list/" rel="nofollow">http://alephblog.com/major-article-list/</a></p><p>To answer another question, on how this hurts the insurance company: most pricing actuaries price in a certain amount of baseline surrender activity when it is not in the interest of the insured to do so.  When surrenders drop in later years, the present value of total claims rises more than any incremental increase in investment income.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gary</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/comment-page-1/#comment-23208</link> <dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:59:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1997#comment-23208</guid> <description>@maynardGKeynes:  you are confused.  Goldman Sachs owns the US Treasury (or thinks it does) :)
As for bailing out the muni market-- there was no legal basis for bailing out AIG (which was really a GS bailout in drag).   That was Henry Paulson looking after his cronies.
Bernanke is right that there are legal problems in bailing out muni bonds -- but in the end it all comes back to asking how an insolvent Federal Government can realistically bail out any more entities of any kind.
Inflation / USD depreciation is the obvious political answer -- but even super model Gisele noted that currency devaluing didn&#039;t really help the banana republics of the past
I worry that GNMA is too big to save -- much like Citi, BofA, etc.   So the powers that be will have to torture the accounting code even more.
And I don&#039;t know any good way to model / think about how that might unfold...
David?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@maynardGKeynes:  you are confused.  Goldman Sachs owns the US Treasury (or thinks it does) <img
src='http://alephblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>As for bailing out the muni market&#8211; there was no legal basis for bailing out AIG (which was really a GS bailout in drag).   That was Henry Paulson looking after his cronies.</p><p>Bernanke is right that there are legal problems in bailing out muni bonds &#8212; but in the end it all comes back to asking how an insolvent Federal Government can realistically bail out any more entities of any kind.</p><p>Inflation / USD depreciation is the obvious political answer &#8212; but even super model Gisele noted that currency devaluing didn&#8217;t really help the banana republics of the past</p><p>I worry that GNMA is too big to save &#8212; much like Citi, BofA, etc.   So the powers that be will have to torture the accounting code even more.</p><p>And I don&#8217;t know any good way to model / think about how that might unfold&#8230;</p><p>David?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gary</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/comment-page-1/#comment-23207</link> <dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:49:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1997#comment-23207</guid> <description>it seems to me that Bernanke has entered a Faustian bargain with the primary dealers:  &quot;The Fed will pretend you guys are still solvent if you pretend US Treasuries are still AAA&quot;
Part of that bargain is the dealers must buy lots of Treasury bonds using the Fed Funds they get at 0%.    Foreign CBs seem to be buying *less* (not zero, and they aren&#039;t selling).   Joe Q America can&#039;t pay his mortgage and his 401K has been trashed -- so a sudden surge of Treasury buying with money he doesn&#039;t have seems unlikely.    Its Ben Bernanke buying Treasuries -- albeit using banks and primary dealers as front men
Defaulting (broadly defined) on GNMA bonds carries a lot less headline / political risk for the Treasury than defaulting on Treasury bonds.  The liabilities could be &quot;restructured&quot; with longer maturities and/or lower coupons -- which is still a default but something the news weenies could spin other ways.
The reason I am asking all this about GNMA is that Congress seems to be pushing lower and lower quality lending onto GNMA&#039;s books -- very similar to what they did to FNMA and FHLMC.
The Treasury can&#039;t &quot;bail out&quot; GNMA, since they are two parts of the same whole (Uncle Sam) -- but any failure would be even more spending of money the government doesn&#039;t have.
And since David seems to be able to articulate things in common sense terms,  my big question that started all this:
how does he model political / sovereign risk?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it seems to me that Bernanke has entered a Faustian bargain with the primary dealers:  &#8220;The Fed will pretend you guys are still solvent if you pretend US Treasuries are still AAA&#8221;</p><p>Part of that bargain is the dealers must buy lots of Treasury bonds using the Fed Funds they get at 0%.    Foreign CBs seem to be buying *less* (not zero, and they aren&#8217;t selling).   Joe Q America can&#8217;t pay his mortgage and his 401K has been trashed &#8212; so a sudden surge of Treasury buying with money he doesn&#8217;t have seems unlikely.    Its Ben Bernanke buying Treasuries &#8212; albeit using banks and primary dealers as front men</p><p>Defaulting (broadly defined) on GNMA bonds carries a lot less headline / political risk for the Treasury than defaulting on Treasury bonds.  The liabilities could be &#8220;restructured&#8221; with longer maturities and/or lower coupons &#8212; which is still a default but something the news weenies could spin other ways.</p><p>The reason I am asking all this about GNMA is that Congress seems to be pushing lower and lower quality lending onto GNMA&#8217;s books &#8212; very similar to what they did to FNMA and FHLMC.</p><p>The Treasury can&#8217;t &#8220;bail out&#8221; GNMA, since they are two parts of the same whole (Uncle Sam) &#8212; but any failure would be even more spending of money the government doesn&#8217;t have.</p><p>And since David seems to be able to articulate things in common sense terms,  my big question that started all this:</p><p>how does he model political / sovereign risk?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JoshK</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/comment-page-1/#comment-23206</link> <dc:creator>JoshK</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:27:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1997#comment-23206</guid> <description>Oh yeah, sorry, I didn&#039;t read closely.  I was thinking about the other GSE&#039;s bond issues, but I think the same thing is true there, just no balance sheet to arb it.  But I&#039;m not sure why a foreign buyer would pass them up for lower priced treasuries.  Let me ask our rates desk head.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, sorry, I didn&#8217;t read closely.  I was thinking about the other GSE&#8217;s bond issues, but I think the same thing is true there, just no balance sheet to arb it.  But I&#8217;m not sure why a foreign buyer would pass them up for lower priced treasuries.  Let me ask our rates desk head.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/comment-page-1/#comment-23205</link> <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:10:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1997#comment-23205</guid> <description>David,
While I appreciate your thoughts on the subject, I would have hoped you would provide a little in the way of full disclosure.  If life insurance is something that should be sold, do you sell these products?
Do you provide transparency to your clients with regard to commissions, fees and expenses, not by a 700-page prospectus but verbally?  Do you demonstrate the option of term life with the substantial difference in premium invested in a no-load government bond fund or ETF?
Despite the risk undertaken by the life insurers, the permanent life products they sell are designed to fail the policyholder.  After retirement, the need to protect income disappears, but the premiums remain.  For most, negative cash flow investments and retirees go together like peanut butter and mayonnaise.  By any estimate, north of 80% of these products will never pay a death benefit, cashed in for a return that would rival that of a simple savings account.
Wall Street is not creating demand where it does not exist.  It&#039;s there and it&#039;s real.  And as long as the Fed keeps fixed income returns to the bare minimum, Wall Street&#039;s clients, many of which will be life insurers themselves, will see life settlements as a important vehicle to help meet their future obligations, to say nothing of helping what could be millions of seniors repair their impaired balance sheets.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p><p>While I appreciate your thoughts on the subject, I would have hoped you would provide a little in the way of full disclosure.  If life insurance is something that should be sold, do you sell these products?</p><p>Do you provide transparency to your clients with regard to commissions, fees and expenses, not by a 700-page prospectus but verbally?  Do you demonstrate the option of term life with the substantial difference in premium invested in a no-load government bond fund or ETF?</p><p>Despite the risk undertaken by the life insurers, the permanent life products they sell are designed to fail the policyholder.  After retirement, the need to protect income disappears, but the premiums remain.  For most, negative cash flow investments and retirees go together like peanut butter and mayonnaise.  By any estimate, north of 80% of these products will never pay a death benefit, cashed in for a return that would rival that of a simple savings account.</p><p>Wall Street is not creating demand where it does not exist.  It&#8217;s there and it&#8217;s real.  And as long as the Fed keeps fixed income returns to the bare minimum, Wall Street&#8217;s clients, many of which will be life insurers themselves, will see life settlements as a important vehicle to help meet their future obligations, to say nothing of helping what could be millions of seniors repair their impaired balance sheets.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: maynardGkeynes</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/comment-page-1/#comment-23204</link> <dc:creator>maynardGkeynes</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:20:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1997#comment-23204</guid> <description>@ Josh: As the Gary said, &quot;GNMA bonds carry the full faith and credit of the US government, just like Treasuries.&quot; Period. Perhaps you are confusing them with GSE bonds (Fannie, Freddie), which are not full failth and credit issues, despite whatever disinformation Ben Bernanke puts out suggesting otherwise. If it ain&#039;t in the statute, it ain&#039;t guaranteed.  That said the &quot;implicit&quot; guarantee is almost airtight for GSE bonds; the same can&#039;t be said for munis, and in fact, the Fed Chairman has said (like any true Republican party hack), that there would be Federalism-based  legal impediments to any bailout of the state based muni market. Apparently, Federalism doesn&#039;t bar bailouts of private entities that own the Fed, eg., Goldman Sachs.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Josh: As the Gary said, &#8220;GNMA bonds carry the full faith and credit of the US government, just like Treasuries.&#8221; Period. Perhaps you are confusing them with GSE bonds (Fannie, Freddie), which are not full failth and credit issues, despite whatever disinformation Ben Bernanke puts out suggesting otherwise. If it ain&#8217;t in the statute, it ain&#8217;t guaranteed.  That said the &#8220;implicit&#8221; guarantee is almost airtight for GSE bonds; the same can&#8217;t be said for munis, and in fact, the Fed Chairman has said (like any true Republican party hack), that there would be Federalism-based  legal impediments to any bailout of the state based muni market. Apparently, Federalism doesn&#8217;t bar bailouts of private entities that own the Fed, eg., Goldman Sachs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gary</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/09/08/on-life-settlements/comment-page-1/#comment-23203</link> <dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:04:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=1997#comment-23203</guid> <description>JoshK -- that is not true.  Unlike FNMA and FHLMC, which only carried an &quot;implied&quot; backing -- GNMA bonds have an explicit and official backing.   They are 100% backed by the US government; no ifs, ands or buts.
Its amazing how many Wall Street folks trade GSE bonds and don&#039;t bother to read up on them.   FNMA and FHLMC were never explicitly backed, no matter how many &quot;analysts&quot; said otherwise.  FNMA and FHLMC were investor owned, and legally only had the right to borrow $3 billion apiece from the US treasury.
GNMA bonds were and are explicitly backed.   GNMA is 100% owned by the US government.  GNMA backs bonds - it is (or was) an insurer like AIG.  But the government backs GNMA, explicitly and without any statutory limits.   Go look at the website if you aren&#039;t sure.
As for the flight to Treasuries, I agree -- but therein lies the problem.  GNMA&#039;s are Treasuries (at least from a credit risk prospective) with prepay risk.
Some of the liquidity risk of GNMA&#039;s no doubt stems from Wall Street&#039;s ignorance of what does and does not have full government backing</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoshK &#8212; that is not true.  Unlike FNMA and FHLMC, which only carried an &#8220;implied&#8221; backing &#8212; GNMA bonds have an explicit and official backing.   They are 100% backed by the US government; no ifs, ands or buts.</p><p>Its amazing how many Wall Street folks trade GSE bonds and don&#8217;t bother to read up on them.   FNMA and FHLMC were never explicitly backed, no matter how many &#8220;analysts&#8221; said otherwise.  FNMA and FHLMC were investor owned, and legally only had the right to borrow $3 billion apiece from the US treasury.</p><p>GNMA bonds were and are explicitly backed.   GNMA is 100% owned by the US government.  GNMA backs bonds &#8211; it is (or was) an insurer like AIG.  But the government backs GNMA, explicitly and without any statutory limits.   Go look at the website if you aren&#8217;t sure.</p><p>As for the flight to Treasuries, I agree &#8212; but therein lies the problem.  GNMA&#8217;s are Treasuries (at least from a credit risk prospective) with prepay risk.</p><p>Some of the liquidity risk of GNMA&#8217;s no doubt stems from Wall Street&#8217;s ignorance of what does and does not have full government backing</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
