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> <channel><title>Comments on: My Visit to the US Treasury, Part 7 (Final)</title> <atom:link href="http://alephblog.com/2009/11/10/my-visit-to-the-us-treasury-part-7-final/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/11/10/my-visit-to-the-us-treasury-part-7-final/</link> <description>Helping Institutions and Ordinary People Invest Better by Focusing on Risk Control</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:02:53 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Chris</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/11/10/my-visit-to-the-us-treasury-part-7-final/comment-page-1/#comment-23714</link> <dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:55:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=2146#comment-23714</guid> <description>Did none of the bloggers raise the question of the GSEs?  I can understand Treasury not wishing to tip their hands as to their future, but I would have expected their status to be a hot topic among the bloggers.
I also don&#039;t buy the idea that the sufferings of the middle class were inevitable.  Over the past 15 or so years the financial sector has grown due to the vast amount of money that it has been able to extract.  Where would we be if all of those bright hard working people and capital spending had gone to the real economy?  I&#039;m not suggesting a command economy, but senior policymakers decided to let leverage and risk run to dangerous levels.  Your comment seem to indicate that this was simply the landscape of the world, but it seems more to be the product of a deliberate policy from the Federal government.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did none of the bloggers raise the question of the GSEs?  I can understand Treasury not wishing to tip their hands as to their future, but I would have expected their status to be a hot topic among the bloggers.</p><p>I also don&#8217;t buy the idea that the sufferings of the middle class were inevitable.  Over the past 15 or so years the financial sector has grown due to the vast amount of money that it has been able to extract.  Where would we be if all of those bright hard working people and capital spending had gone to the real economy?  I&#8217;m not suggesting a command economy, but senior policymakers decided to let leverage and risk run to dangerous levels.  Your comment seem to indicate that this was simply the landscape of the world, but it seems more to be the product of a deliberate policy from the Federal government.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A.S.</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/11/10/my-visit-to-the-us-treasury-part-7-final/comment-page-1/#comment-23691</link> <dc:creator>A.S.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:04:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=2146#comment-23691</guid> <description>This was an insightful bird&#039;s eye view from one of the most thoughtful bloggers I read.  Thanks, David.
Sadly, my take from all of it is ever more disenchantment.
When financial markets rather than the real economy are being used to gauge where the economy is at and when short-term thinking blatantly disregards the potential long-term harm of policies, then the affirmation of your hosts of trying to be &quot;wise stewards&quot; rings hollow indeed.
Not only hollow, but arrogant, misleading and an outright oxymoron.
They need to look up the meaning of wisdom.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was an insightful bird&#8217;s eye view from one of the most thoughtful bloggers I read.  Thanks, David.</p><p>Sadly, my take from all of it is ever more disenchantment.</p><p>When financial markets rather than the real economy are being used to gauge where the economy is at and when short-term thinking blatantly disregards the potential long-term harm of policies, then the affirmation of your hosts of trying to be &#8220;wise stewards&#8221; rings hollow indeed.</p><p>Not only hollow, but arrogant, misleading and an outright oxymoron.</p><p>They need to look up the meaning of wisdom.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lord</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/11/10/my-visit-to-the-us-treasury-part-7-final/comment-page-1/#comment-23687</link> <dc:creator>Lord</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:43:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=2146#comment-23687</guid> <description>As to leverage, it should continue to increase as long as savings outweighs investment.  Some day we may have something worthwhile to invest in, but that day is not now.  Under these conditions, real interest rates must continue to fall and even become negative to achieve balance in the real economy.  While fear may have led to retrenchment in leverage, this is only temporary.  Only real profitable investment opportunities or diminished savings appetites can reverse leverage.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to leverage, it should continue to increase as long as savings outweighs investment.  Some day we may have something worthwhile to invest in, but that day is not now.  Under these conditions, real interest rates must continue to fall and even become negative to achieve balance in the real economy.  While fear may have led to retrenchment in leverage, this is only temporary.  Only real profitable investment opportunities or diminished savings appetites can reverse leverage.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Josh Stern</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/11/10/my-visit-to-the-us-treasury-part-7-final/comment-page-1/#comment-23686</link> <dc:creator>Josh Stern</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:39:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=2146#comment-23686</guid> <description>Jay, thanks for the props, but your comment on share repurchases makes me think I should clarify my thought.
IMO its worthwhile make a distinction between, on the one hand, a transfer of fungible assets leaving the same amount of asset still available for spending/investment, and, on the other hand, a spending decision where fungible assets are exchanged for goods or services, causing those goods to be used for one purpose rather than another.    The latter category is the final decision on how those units of stored value get used.   So when a business buys a factory, that is a final decision whereas paying a dividend or doing a share buyback is a transfer (of course the transfer may be good or bad for the business, but its not a final decision for the overall society).   From my POV, taxes are transfers and low taxes are either good or bad to the extent that the private sector makes better or worse final spending decisions than the govt.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, thanks for the props, but your comment on share repurchases makes me think I should clarify my thought.</p><p>IMO its worthwhile make a distinction between, on the one hand, a transfer of fungible assets leaving the same amount of asset still available for spending/investment, and, on the other hand, a spending decision where fungible assets are exchanged for goods or services, causing those goods to be used for one purpose rather than another.    The latter category is the final decision on how those units of stored value get used.   So when a business buys a factory, that is a final decision whereas paying a dividend or doing a share buyback is a transfer (of course the transfer may be good or bad for the business, but its not a final decision for the overall society).   From my POV, taxes are transfers and low taxes are either good or bad to the extent that the private sector makes better or worse final spending decisions than the govt.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay Weinstein</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/11/10/my-visit-to-the-us-treasury-part-7-final/comment-page-1/#comment-23685</link> <dc:creator>Jay Weinstein</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:53:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=2146#comment-23685</guid> <description>I echo Josh&#039;s comments.  I have been a professional investor for 23 years, and in the long run the only thing that matters for stock prices is, as he puts it, &quot;the quality of spending/investing decisions.&quot;
Unless I missed it, he did leave out perhaps the worst of all decisions:  the hundreds of billions spent on share repurchases at very high prices.  I love share repurchases at the right time--it&#039;s just that most managements are foolish about when and how to do it.   We saw billions repurchased in 06-08, almost none earlier this year.  Buy high and sell low baby!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I echo Josh&#8217;s comments.  I have been a professional investor for 23 years, and in the long run the only thing that matters for stock prices is, as he puts it, &#8220;the quality of spending/investing decisions.&#8221;</p><p>Unless I missed it, he did leave out perhaps the worst of all decisions:  the hundreds of billions spent on share repurchases at very high prices.  I love share repurchases at the right time&#8211;it&#8217;s just that most managements are foolish about when and how to do it.   We saw billions repurchased in 06-08, almost none earlier this year.  Buy high and sell low baby!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Josh Stern</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/11/10/my-visit-to-the-us-treasury-part-7-final/comment-page-1/#comment-23684</link> <dc:creator>Josh Stern</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:25:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=2146#comment-23684</guid> <description>&quot;the edge of the US has been eroded... The current adjustment in the US may be showing the once large middle class that it is not a normal thing, and is hard to maintain... The US Government is up against economic forces larger than it can combat.  The rest of the world is out-competing the US, and the US  has a shrinking portion of the pie as a result.&quot;
I&#039;m sympathetic that this perspective deserves more play than it has gotten, but IMO it misses another big part of the story that contains both more  blame and more hope.   The missing part focuses on the quality of spending/investing decisions by both govt. and the private sector.   There are always choices about how to spend resources and most choices can be viewed through the lens of whether they pay out long term dividends or whether they immediately or quickly depreciate.   Over the last few decades both the public and private sectors in the U.S. have been bent on a massive orgy of poorly considered spending that yielded low to non-existent investment return.  There are more less obviously  bad economic consequences to spending money on SUVs, wars, sports entertainment, McMansions, etc. instead of things like education, infrastructure, public transportation, and technological research (including alternative energy research).   Keeping the economic focus only on GDP and tax rates misses/missed the boat, and contributed greatly to an economically less competitive population.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the edge of the US has been eroded&#8230; The current adjustment in the US may be showing the once large middle class that it is not a normal thing, and is hard to maintain&#8230; The US Government is up against economic forces larger than it can combat.  The rest of the world is out-competing the US, and the US  has a shrinking portion of the pie as a result.&#8221;</p><p>I&#8217;m sympathetic that this perspective deserves more play than it has gotten, but IMO it misses another big part of the story that contains both more  blame and more hope.   The missing part focuses on the quality of spending/investing decisions by both govt. and the private sector.   There are always choices about how to spend resources and most choices can be viewed through the lens of whether they pay out long term dividends or whether they immediately or quickly depreciate.   Over the last few decades both the public and private sectors in the U.S. have been bent on a massive orgy of poorly considered spending that yielded low to non-existent investment return.  There are more less obviously  bad economic consequences to spending money on SUVs, wars, sports entertainment, McMansions, etc. instead of things like education, infrastructure, public transportation, and technological research (including alternative energy research).   Keeping the economic focus only on GDP and tax rates misses/missed the boat, and contributed greatly to an economically less competitive population.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Waukesha Reader</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/11/10/my-visit-to-the-us-treasury-part-7-final/comment-page-1/#comment-23683</link> <dc:creator>Waukesha Reader</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:59:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=2146#comment-23683</guid> <description>David -
I just want to thank you for this wonderful series.  I think it has been one of the most informative I have read in months.  Keep up the excellent work.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211;</p><p>I just want to thank you for this wonderful series.  I think it has been one of the most informative I have read in months.  Keep up the excellent work.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: fresno dan</title><link>http://alephblog.com/2009/11/10/my-visit-to-the-us-treasury-part-7-final/comment-page-1/#comment-23682</link> <dc:creator>fresno dan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:29:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://alephblog.com/?p=2146#comment-23682</guid> <description>&quot;I have found interesting the commenters that automatically assume that being willing to go to the Treasury and eat one cookie equals compromise.&quot;
I really enjoy your analysis and commentary.  For that, you can eat the whole box of cookies.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have found interesting the commenters that automatically assume that being willing to go to the Treasury and eat one cookie equals compromise.&#8221;</p><p>I really enjoy your analysis and commentary.  For that, you can eat the whole box of cookies.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
