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Estimating Future Stock Returns, December 2023 Update

Credit: Aleph Blog || Really, we should be expecting a bubble as the Baby Boomers retire.

As of December 31st, 2023, the S&P 500 was forecasting a return of 1.34%/year over the next ten years, with no adjustment for inflation. As of the close on May 10th, 2024, that figure was 0.32%/year.

Why so glum? US entities are overinvested in stocks and private equity. Since 1945, the fraction of total wealth in stocks today is in the 98th percentile. The pension funds of many states are counting on equities to allow them to fulfill their promises. They have the added advantage of higher interest rates to aid them as well, but those rates may fall, because the US Government needs low rates to limit its deficit. The Fed is not independent; it does what the US government wants it to do.

The hidden assumption behind this model is that the return on assets in the US is mostly constant. What if the market is higher because of AI or GLP-1 drugs? Huge innovations, right?

Maybe. It’s unclear what genuine productivity enhancements will come from AI. Will rents, food and energy become cheaper? I doubt it. Negative side effects from GLP-1 drugs after long exposures are not yet realized. Away from that, gains in one industry may be matched by equal losses in another industry.

When we are overinvested in stocks, negative news will have higher impact. There is less slack capital to absorb the troubles.

Now, all that said, value stocks are cheap, and will be affected less by market events. Same for some small and midcap stocks. Lots of good opportunities over the long-haul if you look for them. Just ignore the large cap growth market leaders that are overvalued. They are the reason the market as a whole is overvalued.

So, add to safe assets, and cut back on large cap growth. This feels like June 2000, where everyone was so optimistic, sailing into the teeth of the storm. Get ready, because value and small are back.

Estimating Future Stock Returns, June 2023 Update

Image Credit: Aleph Blog || Has the return on assets for public equities permanently risen? The return on bonds has risen for now.

From the last piece: “At March 31st, 2023, the S&P 500 was priced to return 2.41%/year over the next ten years. Given the rally since then, that return has shrunk to 0.49%/year. Currently the 10-year Treasury yields 3.76%. In investment grade corporates, you could earn more than 5% with considerably lower risk.”

There was an error in that statement, the return had only shrunk to 1.64%/year. A similar adjustment would have to be made to the second graph, which would look more like the graph below.

At June 30th, 2023, the S&P 500 was priced to return 1.65%/year over the next ten years. Given the rally since then, that return has risen to 2.03%/year. Currently the 10-year Treasury yields 4.29% [bond-equivalent yield, add 0.09% to annualize]. In investment grade corporates, you could earn around 6% with considerably lower risk.

Here’s my current outcomes graph:

Image Credit: Aleph Blog || Upside capped, long left tail…

So, on average no price change for 10 years. You just collect your dividends.

There are several ways to get better outcomes from stocks. First, go abroad, there are much better values available in Europe, Japan, and in the emerging markets that respect the rule of law. Second, decouple from the high-tech growth stocks. I’m able to find a lot of stocks in the US with good balance sheets that are small-to-midcap that are cheap relative to growth prospects. Away from the “cool” sectors of the market there are many large-cap stocks with reasonable prices relative to prospects.

That’s all for now. I may blog more, I may not. Business is taking up more of my time. Watch your risks to keep your returns.

Estimating Future Stock Returns, March 2023 Update

Image Credit: Aleph Blog || Has the return on assets for public equities permanently risen?

At March 31st, 2023, the S&P 500 was priced to return 2.41%/year over the next ten years. Given the rally since then, that return has shrunk to 0.49%/year. Currently the 10-year Treasury yields 3.76%. In investment grade corporates, you could earn more than 5% with considerably lower risk.

But, maybe it’s different this time. Yes, I know the danger of the phrase. What if AI increases total productivity of assets and labor by 1%/year on net, permanently? Will companies make more money as they need fewer smart people to do the same amount of intellectual work? Or, will we reach a new equilibrium as the smart people who are laid off start using AI to create totally new businesses, or create even leaner competitor businesses that eat into the profits of those slow to adapt?

Really, I don’t think AI will permanently increase productivity. The system should adjust and things should remain mostly the same.

Image credit: Aleph Blog

The graph above shows what the outcomes have been when the share of investor funds held in equities has been as high as it is now, 49.0%. (Range: 21.9% — 52.7%, average 35.6%) Returns have typically been poor.

So, maybe buy the 10-year investment grade bonds. Inflation is going down, and the US government can’t finance all its debt if rates rise too much. Bonds are a real alternative now.

One last note: the estimated rate of return over the next ten years more than you would ordinarily expect as the data series underlying this model made significant revisions to past data values.

Anyway, be cautious. Bond yields have risen, equity yields (E/P) have fallen. This rally is more speculative than most think… momentum blinds many people to stretched valuations. Unless, we are genuinely in a new era. Which I doubt.

Estimating Future Stock Returns, December 2022 Update

Picture Credit: Aleph Blog || I know this is late, but still, here it is…

At December 31st, 2022, the S&P 500 was priced to return 3.26%/year over the next ten years. Given the rally since then, that return has shrunk to 3.12%/year. Currently the 10-year Treasury yields 3.38%. In investment grade corporates, you could earn more, but… really, who knows?

They say the stock market climbs a wall of worry. We’ve got enough worries to go around.

  • Wars. With the superpowers posturing and fighting proxy wars, trade wars, and real wars, it doesn’t take that much for a bigger conflict to emerge. Oh, and are we replacing the stocks of weapons that we have been giving away?
  • Plagues. Okay, we’ve been through that recently. Maybe we don’t get that again for a while.
  • Famine: Partially due to the Ukraine war, partially due to weather, there are many places in the world facing food scarcity.
  • Social Insurance plans facing a crackup. Notice the protests in France from moving the retirement age from 62 to 64? Things like this will happen in many developed countries. And for those of you who don’t remember an old piece of mine on Social Security, there will be a payment event around 2032.
  • Around that same time, maybe 20% of US states will have severe events regarding the defined benefit plans for public sector employees.
  • With the yield curve inverted, money is getting sucked out of bank deposits and into T-bills, or something like them.
  • The Fed does too much. After years of being a “superhero,” trying to create permanent prosperity, they have created an economy that has too much debt. Congress and the President regularly run huge deficits with the tacit support of the Fed. After creating the problem where many bank assets are below par, they offer a one-year program allowing the banks to value the assets at par. Will it only be one year, or will the accounting chicanery become permanent?

I may be a little cranky at this point, but I remain fascinated at politicians and policymakers in DC who engage in magical thinking. There is a great advantage to have the world’s reserve currency, but it is not unlimited. At some point, the notional credit line will be exceeded. If/when there is a tipping point, it will be ugly.

Let me show you one more graph regarding possible future outcomes for the S&P 500 in early 2023:

Picture credit: Aleph Blog

The above graph assumes a 2% dividend on the S&P 500, and uses prior market periods +/- 1% in terms of expected returns. There is a long left tail, but not as long as the Great Depression, which of course can never happen again, right?

Valuations are still extended. We are still in the 95th percentile as far as this model is concerned. You might do better with value stocks, foreign, emerging market, and small stocks, but this is still an awkward time to be long the winners of the last bull phase of the market.

One final note: 80% of my total net worth, and 95% of my liquid net worth are invested in the strategies in which my clients are invested. I still maintain a posture of 70% invested in risk assets and 30% in safe assets. To me, it is a happy medium balancing risk and return.

Also, I know I haven’t been writing much, but I plan on writing more. That said, time is short for me.

Estimating Future Stock Returns, September 2022 Update

Picture Credit: Aleph Blog || I know this is late, but still, here it is…

At September 30th, 2022, the S&P 500 was priced to return 4.14%/year over the next ten years. Given the rally since then, that return has shrunk to 3.20%/year. Does that sound attractive? It is lower than the yield on the 10-year T-note, and lower than current inflation (which is falling like a stone, don’t tell the geniuses at the FOMC).

And you could be adventurous, as I was when I was a corporate bond manager (2001-2003) buying long single-A and BBB/Baa bonds. Even at 10 year maturities, you can get well over 5% for sound credits.

The stock market needs to fall around 20% to be at parity with lower-rated investment grade bonds. This is not pleasant news, but given the media drumbeat of:

Stocks always beat bonds! Stocks always beat bonds! Stocks always beat bonds! Stocks always beat bonds! Stocks always beat bonds!

It needs to be said that it is not always true. It wasn’t true in the 2000s decade. It wasn’t true in the Great Depression.

I’m keeping this short this evening. The US corporate bond market is still more attractive than the US stock market. If the S&P 500 drops below 3100, with no changes in interest rates, then the stock market will be a better buy.

So be ready for the stock market to fall further after the Fed stops tightening, when the recession ensues, and buy stocks amid the panic.

PS — when the tech giants are firing people, that is a sign that they are no longer growth stocks.

Estimating Future Stock Returns, June 2022 Update

Graph Credit: Aleph Blog || How do you feel about 3.00%/year nominal returns over the next 10 years? That’s less yield than the 10-year T-note

Stocks always beat bonds. Stocks always beat bonds. Stocks always beat bonds. Stocks always beat bonds.

Quite a mantra. And for those with a long time horizon, this is true. What I am telling you this evening is if you want that to work for you, your time horizon should be greater than ten years. With the ten-year T-note yielding 3.41%, the S&P 500 at 3946 indicates likely nominal returns of 3.00%/year over the next ten years. Though the bond market has had a lousy year, many of the times I wrote about this over the last few years, the S&P 500 had return expectations in line with a 10-year single-A corporate bond. When the market indicates returns lower than a 10-year T-note, it is still quite expensive (95th percentile).

As the end of December 2021 was near the recent highs, so the end of June 2022 was near the recent lows, projecting a nominal 3.32%/year return for the S&P 500 over the next ten years. The weak rally of the last eleven weeks has reduced future returns to 3.00%.

So what to do? For me, not much. I have always kept my asset allocation around 70% risky, 30% safe. I am near that now, and don’t feel the need to panic. I like the stocks that I own for me and my clients. We are up this year. All that said, I haven’t had a good year prior to this since 2013. Versus the broad market, my performance has been poor as value has lagged, and I am more value-y than most value managers.

Graph Credit: Aleph Blog
Graph Credit: Aleph Blog
Graph Credit: Aleph Blog

The histogram above attempts to show scenarios when likely returns per year were within 1% of where they are now. Positive returns are expected with a considerable left tail.

So What Might Happen?

My view here is that the Fed will overshoot in tightening, leading the stock market to new lows in this bear market. Ray Dalio has said something like this. Looking at the ’70s or the Great Financial Crisis are not what I would look at. My best analogy here is the dot-com bubble.

I remember from that era how many people said that Fed policy was irrelevant to growth stocks. When the yield curve inverts, those who finance long assets with short-term debt blow up. During the dot-com bubble, that was mostly tech firms. The banks were mostly not affected. That is true today, as the banks are in good shape.

So expect:

  • The yield curve to get more inverted
  • Stocks to fall, especially growth stocks
  • Real GDP will decline
  • Commodities will suffer
  • The Fed will panic, and loosen in 2023

That’s all for now. I have been going through a hard period in my life, thus I have not been posting much.

Estimating Future Stock Returns, March 2022 Update

Image credit: All images belong to Aleph Blog

Well, finally the bear market… at 3/31/2002 the S&P 500 was priced to return a trice less than zero in nominal terms. After the pasting the market received today, that figure is 3.57%/year nominal (not adjusted for inflation). You would likely be better off in an ETF of 10-year single-A rated bonds yielding 4.7% — both for safety and return.

I will admit that my recent experiment buying TLT has been a flop. I added to the position today. My view is that the long end of the curve is getting resistant to the belly of the curve, and thus the curve is turning into the “cap” formation, where the middle of the curve is higher than the short and long ends. This is a rare situation. Usually, the long end rallies in situations like this. The only situation more rare than this is the “cup” formation where the middle of the curve is lower than the short and long ends.

I will have to update my my old post of “Goes Down Double-Speed.” We’ve been through three cycles since then — bear, bull, and now bear again. People get surprised by the ferocity of bear markets, but they shouldn’t be. People get shocked at losing money on paper, and thus the selloffs happen more rapidly. Bull markets face skepticism, and so they are slow.

What are the possibilities given where the market is now? When the market is expecting 3.57% nominal, give or take one percent, what tends to happen?

Most of the time, growth at these levels for the S&P 500 is pretty poor. That said, market expectations of inflation over the next ten years are well below the 4.7% you can earn on an average 10-year single-A rated corporate bond. Those expectations may be wrong — they usually are, but you can’t tell which way they will be wrong. I am still a believer in deflation, so I think current estimates of inflation are too high. There is too much debt and so monetary policy will have more punch than previously. The FOMC will panic, tighten too much, and crater some area in the financial economy that they care about, and then they will give up again, regardless of how high inflation is. They care more about avoiding a depression than inflation. They will even resume QE with inflation running hot if they are worried about the financial sector.

The Fed cares about things in this order:

  • Preserve their own necks
  • Preserve the banks, and things like them
  • Fight inflation
  • Fund the US Government
  • Promote nominal GDP growth, though they will call it reducing labor unemployment. The Fed really doesn’t care about labor unemployment, or inequality. They are a bourgeois institution that cares about themselves and their patrons — those who are rich.

I know this post is “all over the map.” My apologies. That said, we in a very unusual situation featuring high debt, high current inflation (that won’t last), war, plague, and supply-chain issues. How this exactly works out is a mystery, especially to me — but I am giving you my best guess here, for whatever it is worth. It’s worth than double what you paid for it! 😉

Full disclosure: long TLT for clients and me

Estimating Future Stock Returns, December 2021 Update

Image credit: All images belong to Aleph Blog

This should be a brief post. At the end of 2021, the S&P 500 was poised to nominally return -1.53%/year over the next 10 years. As of the close yesterday, that figure was 0.73%/year.

The only period compares with this valuation-wise is the dot-com bubble. We are near dot-com level valuations, in the 98th percentile. And if you view the 10-year returns from the worst time of the dot-com bubble to now, you can see that the results they obtained are worse than what I forecast here.

Of course, a lot of what will happen in nominal terms will rely on the actions of the Fed. Will the Fed:

  • Allow a real recession to clear away dud assets that are on life support from low rates? (Collapsing the current stock/junk bubble.. they would never do this unless their hands were tied.)
  • Risk the 1994 scenario where the compressed coupon stack in the Residential Mortgage Backed Securities [RMBS] market begins a self-reinforcing interest rate rise cycle on the long end as mortgage rates rise, prepayments drop, mortgage durations extend, leading to bond managers selling RMBS and long bonds with abandon to bring their duration risk down. The Fed chases the yield curve up, and the stock and housing markets both fall. The Fed chokes on their policy, and gives up tightening to save both markets.
  • Or, if not the 1994 scenario, does the Fed dare to stop tightening before the yield curve inverts, and just wait for a flat curve to do its work? (Nah, that would be smart. The Fed always inverts the curve to prove their manliness, and blows some part of the market up in the process.)
  • Or do they just accept financial repression, and punish savers to benefit wage earners (Will it really work? Dubious.), as the Fed keeps their policy rate low.

I posed those scenarios to Tom Barkin, President of the Richmond Fed when he came to speak to the CFA Institute at Baltimore last week. He gave answers that were either evasive, or he didn’t get it.

Anyway, this is an awkward market situation, but the one thing that is clear to me is that investors should be at the lower end of risk for their asset allocation.

PS — As for me, I am living with value stocks, small stocks, and international stocks. Very little in the S&P 500 here.

Estimating Future Stock Returns, September 2021 Update

Image credit: All images belong to Aleph Blog

This should be a brief post. At the end of the third quarter, the S&P 500 was poised to nominally return -0.64%/year over the next 10 years. As of the close today, that figure was -1.83%/year, slightly more than the -1.84%/year at the record high last Friday.

The only period compares with this valuation-wise is the dot-com bubble. We are above dot-com level valuations. And if you view the 10-year returns from the worst time of the dot-com bubble to now, you can see that the results they obtained are milder than what I forecast here.

Of course, a lot of what will happen in nominal terms will rely on the actions of the Fed. Will the Fed:

  • Allow a real recession to clear away dud assets that are on life support from low rates? (Collapsing the current asset bubble)
  • Change the terms of monetary policy, and start directly monetizing US Treasury debt? (Risking high inflation)
  • Continue to dither with financial repression, leaving rates low, not caring about moderate inflation, with real growth zero-like. (Zombie economy — this is the most likely outcome for now)

In some ways the markets are playing around with something I call “the last arbitrage.” Bonds versus Stocks. The concept of TINA (There is no alternative [to stocks]) relies on the idea that the Fed will be the lapdog of the equity markets. If stocks are high, the Fed is happy. Phrased another way, if the Fed maximizes wealth inequality, it is happy.

And the Fed will be happy. They live to employ thousands of macroeconomists who would have a hard time finding real employment. These economists live to corrupt our understanding f the macroeconomy, justifying the actions of the Fed. The Fed just wants to scrape enough seigniorage to pay the staff, and keep Congress and the Administration mollified. All taken out of the hides of those who save.

So with the last arbitrage… interest rates have to stay low to keep the stock market high, even if it means slow growth, and moderate and growing inflation. The likely change promulgated by the Fed today, raising the short rate by 0.75% in 2022 will likely flatten the yield curve, leading to a crisis of some sort, and push them back into QE and near-zero short rates. The stock market will have a pullback and a rally, but what of inflation? How will people act when there is no way to save for the short-run, without inflation eating away value?

Brave new world. The Fed is stuck, and we are stuck with them. Gold does nothing, and would be a kinder mistress than the Fed. Better to live within strict limits, than the folly of an elastic currency. But as is true with all things in America, we are going to have to learn this the hard way.

PS — As for me, I am living with value stocks, small stocks, and international stocks. Very little in the S&P 500 here.

Estimating Future Stock Returns, June 2021 Update

Image Credit: All images courtesy of Aleph Blog || Lookout below!

I’ll keep this brief, as I’ve said it so many times before. This market is on borrowed time. The only comparable period for this market is from the fourth quarter of 1999 to the third quarter of 2000 — the dot-com bubble, which was another period of speculation fueled by loose monetary policy. Here’s a picture of what price returns were like from that era over the next ten years (but with a 2% dividend yield).

And we are touching the sky at present. Though at the end of the quarter, the S&P 500 was priced to return -0.91%/year over the next ten years, at present that value is -1.41%/year. None of these figures are adjusted for inflation. At the recent high of 4,536.95 on September 2nd, the expected return was -1.73%/year for the next ten years. This graph shows how we are touching the sky:

The actual line is touching the maximum line. The future line gives an idea of how valuations could normalize over ten years.

The Dow 36,000 crowd will get their day in the sun, maybe even this year, or it might not happen until 2035. But even if it hits the level, it’s unlikely that it will stay above that level for most of the rest of the next 10 years.

I’ll close with a quote from something I wrote recently:

Though interest rates are low, they are not negative. 10-year investment grade bonds are competitive against domestic stocks at this point. Even if you are losing against inflation, you are losing less against inflation than the market as a whole. Same for cash. I don’t think that there is no alternative. Here are the alternatives:

  • Investment grade bonds (market duration)
  • Cash
  • Value stocks
  • Cyclical stocks
  • Foreign stocks
  • Emerging market stocks and bonds

So consider the alternatives, and consider hedging. I can’t nuance this anymore, as we are in uncharted waters. We are touching the sky.

And I think even as the market falls, value should do well, as it did in 2000-2001. This piece from Bob Arnott at Research Affiliates makes a good case for it.

So play it safe; it’s a messy speculative world out there. It wouldn’t take much for it to turn ugly.

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